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    Okay so here's a question.

    With the latest F&M outbreak any advice what to do in the event some landowner decides to block access to footpaths, bridleways and other rights of way?

    Should we ignore illegal denial or comply just to keep the peace?

    Who do you report access denial to?

    Or are we all in de Nile

    :lol: (sorry had to slip that one in)

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    From the Ramblers' Association website:

    "Reports should be made to the relevant highway authority (county, unitary, metropolitan, London, national park) in England or Wales. Mark your letter for the attention of the 'Public Rights of Way Officer'."

    My personal view is that if I was just walking in the countryside, not caching, I would ignore illegal denial and carry on. If I was caching, though, I'd probably leave the cache for the time being, on the offchance that I might be discovered at the cache site and then that would probably be a cache removed for good. Either way, though, I'd report the illegal denial.
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    yeah i'm with bill on this one. keep on walking, don't cache and then report....

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    Im involved in farming and can understand why some farmers are taking steps to protect their livestock.Please remember the pitiful response by the goverment back in 2001 . Hundreds of thousands of animals were slaughtered through inaction by this inept shower,Both the current goverment and Defra.Now it appears that eithier a goverment body or a goverment employed company has released the virus it hardly instills confidence within the farming community does it ?.
    So report such infractions by farmers by all means but just spare a thought for the farmers and understand their motives,watching your whole herd shot n burned is no fun......

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    TDW, I agree absolutely that the way things were handled in 2001 was poor, to say the least. I think what's been said above, though, is more about a minority of landowners possibly taking advantage of the present situation to unwarrantedly close paths than about farmers taking sensible precautions. If I felt that a footpath had been closed with good reason then I certainly wouldn't use it.
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    Why would they'unwarrantedly' close paths ?....i will tell you why..its because the farmers have NO faith n the goverment and the joke called Defra...they gave us NO up to date information last time and NO help eithier..So i dont blame them helping themselves..We are in Hertfordshire,well outside the quarantine zone and yet have installed tyre dips and foot dips in an effort to stop the possible spread of this ghastly disease...Surrey is no distance from anywhere in the country.Time to be a bit more understanding i think bill and not get to uppity about ones rights to walk freely when theres a crisis occuring.

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    Originally posted by Third-Degree-Witch@Aug 8 2007, 07:00 AM
    Im involved in farming and can understand why some farmers are taking steps to protect their livestock.Please remember the pitiful response by the goverment back in 2001 . Hundreds of thousands of animals were slaughtered through inaction by this inept shower,Both the current goverment and Defra.Now it appears that eithier a goverment body or a goverment employed company has released the virus it hardly instills confidence within the farming community does it ?.
    So report such infractions by farmers by all means but just spare a thought for the farmers and understand their motives,watching your whole herd shot n burned is no fun......
    Cheer Bill & Nobbs for the advice.

    Sorry TDW I wasn't after a comment about the Govt. et al it wasn't a political question.

    Anyhow only one half the site is Govt. financed the other half is run by an American firm (None Govt.) so if they are guilty (not proven at the mo.) I can't see how the Govt. would be to blame.

    Any how as I re-call the last outbreak was caused by a farmer feeding his pigs with illegally imported Chinese meat. I just don't go with the big bad Govt. routine.

    They only had the 1966 outbreak as an example to work on.

    Oh and by the by in 2001 I was well aware from personal contact (in the farming community) that some (but not all) farmers were deliberately sending infected fluids to each other in order to infect their herds and cash in on the compo. The old wipe a handkerchief round the cows mouth bung it in a jiffy bag and post it to a mate routine.


    C'est la vie

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    hve u got solid proof of that ?

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    Third-Degree-Witch wrote:
    Why would they'unwarrantedly' close paths ?
    Well, I'm afraid some do. For example there's a farm near Devizes where a right of way runs across the middle of a field. Some years the farmer sows some large bushy crop (I don't know what it is) over the whole field. As the crop grows it completely blocks the right of way. Every time this happens someone reports it, the council Rights of Way officer threatens action, and then the farmer reluctantly cuts a path through the crop.

    Why does he do it? Because he doesn't want people walking on his land, even though it's a right of way they're walking on. He's well known locally as a right pain-in-the-*rse.

    There's another farm south of Salisbury where a right of way runs diagonally across a field. Most summers the whole field has a crop covering the right of way. As it happens there are a number of other routes one can take to bypass that, but it's still an unwarranted closure.

    Third-Degree-Witch wrote:
    Time to be a bit more understanding i think bill and not get to uppity about ones rights to walk freely when theres a crisis occuring.
    I fail to see how you can construe anything I've said in this thread as being "uppity". The original post was about illegal denial of access, and that's what I've responded to.
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    and let's not forget that even if the footpaths get closed deer and other wildlife can't read.....

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    We will have to agree to disagree i think

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    For example there's a farm near Devizes where a right of way runs across the middle of a field. Some years the farmer sows some large bushy crop (I don't know what it is) over the whole field. As the crop grows it completely blocks the right of way. Every time this happens someone reports it, the council Rights of Way officer threatens action, and then the farmer reluctantly cuts a path through the crop.
    Is this a new farm - or land that has been farmed for years? If the latter, it may be that a previous farmer had either a different crop, or livestock in that field when a path was established, and so walking across wasn't an issue. The fact that a beaurocrat has now decided that the definitive right of way goes straight across the field should not absolve walkers of using common sense and walking around the edge, or deny the farmer using his own land to earn a living in whatever way.....

    (gets ready to duck and run)

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    Originally posted by keehotee@Aug 9 2007, 12:50 PM
    For example there's a farm near Devizes where a right of way runs across the middle of a field. Some years the farmer sows some large bushy crop (I don't know what it is) over the whole field. As the crop grows it completely blocks the right of way. Every time this happens someone reports it, the council Rights of Way officer threatens action, and then the farmer reluctantly cuts a path through the crop.
    Is this a new farm - or land that has been farmed for years? If the latter, it may be that a previous farmer had either a different crop, or livestock in that field when a path was established, and so walking across wasn't an issue. The fact that a beaurocrat has now decided that the definitive right of way goes straight across the field should not absolve walkers of using common sense and walking around the edge, or deny the farmer using his own land to earn a living in whatever way.....

    (gets ready to duck and run)
    The farm and the farmer have been there for years, and so has the right of way. The farmer is a frequent topic of conversation in the local pub, which probably says it all... Yes, it's possible to walk around the edge of the field, if you don't mind being stopped by the farmer with a shotgun in his hand, something which has happened to a number of locals including a friend of mine - they have of course reported the incidents to the police, but it's one person's word against another so no action gets taken.
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    Third-Degree-Witch wrote:
    We will have to agree to disagree i think
    Agreed, lol...!
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    Originally posted by Third-Degree-Witch@Aug 8 2007, 07:20 PM
    hve u got solid proof of that ?
    Sorry TDW I can see where this is going, as to do I have proof I'll have to go drag the farmers in question to the computer but seeing as they live in Devon and I don't currently it's going to take time.

    Mine was a simple question concerning the possibility that illegal access denial might take place so I was looking for advice on what I could do.

    If I had known this simple question would turn in to a C.A. rant against the current administration I wouldn't have bothered.

    Drop the seige mentality the Govt. conisists of human beings and QED they can not please you or most of the people all of the time. At least this time they acted quickly and decisively.

    You may as well blame the Govt. for the July floods, or the Black Death or the death of the dinosaurs.

    "s**t" as they say happens.

    By the way which proof did you want? The 2001 outbreak was Type O Asian traced to a Cumbrian pig farmer who contrary to the regs. did not heat his swill which contained meat imported from China which he got from a Chinese restaurant. I bet the Govt. was to blame for that too (or was it the Chinese Govt? ^_^ ).

    P.S. I re-call 2001 being the year where I put the Mountain Bike in the shed for months, hung my boots and indulged in other activities so I believe did thousands of other people. So don't give us the old farmers have to protect themselves routine.

    Farmers had a lot of sympathy from the people and compo. from the Govt. then and I don't re-call the general populus going out of their way to make farmers lives more difficult.

    P.P.S. The family's all farming stock too going back several generations (1380 as I recall).

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