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    fraggle69 Guest

    Default 'mega' Flashmob Event?

    I'd be up for organising one of hese suckerz. It would have to be fancy dress though.
    I've thought about how to do it and I think it can be done.

    Do you think groundspeak would allow it?

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    Its certainly an intersting concept, whether or not they'd go for it would be another matter. They sent a rep to the UK Mega Event to confirm that we got over 500. There have been geocaching flash mobs in the past (Ian fondly remembers the Birmingham one) so a mega event is just something bigger.
    Maybe one of our current or ex reviewers could shed some light on the rule nuances regarding a Mega Event and whether it would be achievable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by studlyone View Post
    They sent a rep to the UK Mega Event to confirm that we got over 500.
    I don't think that's correct. As far as I know, I was the only person representing Groundspeak there, and "checking that 500 people turn up" was not something I was asked to do. I don't know if they dropped a mail to Deceangi afterwards, but I would guess not. AFAIK, Mega status is granted on trust, after you've convinced Groundspeak that it's reasonably likely to happen. It took Robin a couple of months at least to get the Harrogate event a Mega icon, and he had a committee, years of solid event organising experience, and all the UK volunteers right behind him. There are a lot of "Mega wannabes" who start off with big hopes and don't get close to the required number of attendees, so this attitude is understandable. (Having 250 Will Attend logs, or however many it was, in the first week certainly helps.)

    Quote Originally Posted by studlyone View Post
    Maybe one of our current or ex reviewers could shed some light on the rule nuances regarding a Mega Event and whether it would be achievable.
    For a start if you want to list a Mega Event it probably has to be listed at least six months in advance. That means that it will become public knowledge, which means that the local council and police will be interested. 500 people in the same place at one time is already a public order issue, even if they're all just reading the Bible.

    Given all the moaning which there was about travelling X hundred miles to Harrogate, I wish you good luck in identifying a location that 500 people are prepared to travel to, at £1.25 and up for a litre of fuel, for 15 minutes and one smiley. I think that most of the UK cachers who really really really wanted the Mega icon and were prepared to put a dent in their budget to get it, probably already did so last weekend.

    You could maybe try and tack it on to another Mega Event, but then we're starting to get into "gratuitous smileys". There's already quite a lot of discussion as to what constitutes a real "event" among the various satellite activities that occur at a Mega. Plus, with "only" 900 people coming to the Mega, would you actually have got around 60% of them to synchronise themselves at the same spot?

    My guess (aka: my sincere hope!) is that Groundspeak would politely turn it down on the basis that they don't want the Mega Event "brand" to become devalued. But then probably the majority of reviewers (well, me and another one that I know of ) feel that any flash mob event devalues regular Events, and yet when one was held in Seattle, Jeremy and several other lackeys went along and said they enjoyed it...
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    Being brutally and totally honest, I make that at least 3 Reviewers with the same opinion of Flash Mobs. A event is about socialising, making new and strengthening existing Friendships. One of the biggest complaints about this years Mega, was that people did not get chance to meet people they wanted to.

    The definition of a Flash mob is a event at which people turn up at a specific time and location, and Mob for the specific period before going their seperate ways. Going to a pub afterwards to have a chat, means that no actual Flash Mob Event took place.

    I've had someone try and submit a Flash Mob event followed by a Pub event. After discussing things with my former colleagues, we came to the conclusion that it was one single event not 2 separate stand alone ones.

    I publish Flash Mob Events because Groundspeak allows them, not because I believe they have any merit. And whilst I will support any genuine Mega event in the UK. I will not support any attempt at a Mega Flash Mob event, and see all the hard work and personal risk that this years and next year committee put into the Mega made into a joke.

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    I guess that puts that one to bed then.
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    I hope the replies haven't depressed you too much, fraggle69 - It looks like the scenario of 500+ cachers dressed as pirates and descending on an unsuspecting Bristol/Swindon/Glastonbury is unlikely to come to fruition.

    I have actually attended one of the FlashMob Events - I went up for the one at the London Eye and nearly got "sent to Coventry" in Chat because I was prepared to defend the whole FlashMob concept. In fact somebody there described it as a rank idea. (I think that was the word they used...) I decided to go along because I wanted to say that I had actually been to one, rather than cast scorn on the whole idea without even trying one for size. It was a "different" experience, rather like the micro equivalent of the usual type of Event. Afterwards everyone dispersed in different directions and about 10 of us (including some visiting American geocachers) ended up getting steadily chilled :cheers: (in every sense of the word) at pavement tables outside a Whitehall pub. Would I attend another one? Yes, probably, if it was within 50 miles of me. But I suspect the whole idea of FlashMob events may be a passing fad. (Did I hear cheering from somewhere in the back stalls then? )

    I still keep an eye on the whole FlashMob scene though and I'm a fully registered member of http://improveverywhere.ning.com/ The Urban Prankster site.

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    The two esteened reveiwers brought up some very valid points as well as some that I don't agree on (but thats my own opinion). However after reading their posts their arguments do ring true and their experience in this sort of things is obvious and to be treated with high regard.

    Whilst I loved the flash mob event I attended, as with others the organiser was derided for attempting to organise it but it did work and it worked well.

    It might not be as succesfull on a larger scale due to logistical reasons, distance and its limited duration. For starters the chance of finding 500 nutters mad enough to travel for 15 minutes of anarchy are slim.

    So how about a Mini-Mega Event category then h34r: LOL
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    I've never been a supporter of Flashmob events, but the "open to all" 30 minute meet at the start of the Mega Fox Hunt accidentally turned into one. Everyone was milling around until I plonked down a chair on the exact coords of the event listing, then chaos ensued.

    When the logs stop coming in I'll have an accurate figure, but there were over 200 heads there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Blorenge View Post
    I still keep an eye on the whole FlashMob scene though and I'm a fully registered member of http://improveverywhere.ning.com/ The Urban Prankster site.
    I haven't seen that before - looks great!
    I like the FlashMob Event concept actually. Although I agree that a Mega probably won't be possible, there's a place for different types of event and I don't think it always has to be the type that would appeal to Dave (for instance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaz666 View Post
    I've never been a supporter of Flashmob events, but the "open to all" 30 minute meet at the start of the Mega Fox Hunt accidentally turned into one. Everyone was milling around until I plonked down a chair on the exact coords of the event listing, then chaos ensued.

    When the logs stop coming in I'll have an accurate figure, but there were over 200 heads there!
    But I expect that was coz a lot of people went to get an easy 5/5 (although I hadn't realised that it was a 5/5 until some people in the car park mentioned that was why they were there)
    Some of us worked for our 5/5 .... and thoroughly enjoyed it

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    Arr touched a nerve or two there.
    Whilst the FME's pros/cons have already been discussed many times in the past I'll leave it there.
    The question is 'will groundspeak support/allow such an event', I wasn't asking the reviewers permission or support as such? Is it my reviewers that put the proposal to groundspeak on my behalf, it seems unlikely they will be willing to in this instance. Does anyone have a contact for me at groundspeak.
    If it's a 'no' that's fine, but unfair imo. If an event can be made into a mega, then surely a flashmob event can. Maybe it needs to be reclassified as a monster flashmob event rather than a mega with it's own icon or something, who knows!
    I wasn't actually thinking pirates, I was hoping we could pretend to be part of a religious cult and make out like we were donating loads of money but infact we'd just be signing the log !
    If anyone thinks we're taking the wee out of the hard work the mega event organisers put in, you can think what you like! Any event takes a degree of organisation and just because I want to do it without spending any money, then surely that's my choice. If every cache event were the same we'd soon get bored.

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    I have posted to the Reviewers forum asking if Groundspeak would be prepared to grant Mega Status to a Flash Mob Event. I will of course pass on any decision. And will follow any instructions issued by Groundspeak over such a event.
    My post is my personal opinion and as such you do not have my permission to quote me outside of these forums!

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    I appreciate that dude.
    Even if it is agreed that's fine, I know I would still need to convince the local council its a good thing. I appreciate there are public order issues involved, so that would take a lot of negotiation on the organisers part.

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    Deci, what's the deal?
    I appreciate you're not keen on FME's and understand you're not supportive of the need for them, but some feedback would be great. I appreaciate it's holiday season and times are busy, but you reviewers never rest, right?
    Anyway, are the yanks worried we might beat them to a mega FME?

    Love and Peace FraggleM

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraggle69 View Post
    Deci, what's the deal?
    I appreciate you're not keen on FME's and understand you're not supportive of the need for them, but some feedback would be great. I appreaciate it's holiday season and times are busy, but you reviewers never rest, right?
    Anyway, are the yanks worried we might beat them to a mega FME?

    Love and Peace FraggleM
    Not sure if you will get an answer of Deci till after the weekend unless you go to the Gathering in the Glens

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