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    Default GSP cache listing considerations.

    1. Night tacks
    2. London caches
    3. Political caches
    4. Charity caches
    5. Camping events
    6. Caches without logbooks
    7. Neglected caches
    8. Abandoned caches
    9. Power trails (definition)
    10. Churchyard / graveyard caches
    11. Railway station caches
    12. Historic caches (1st in UK etc)
    13. War memorials
    14. commercial caches
    15. event accessibility generally,
    16. landowner agreement in a time of heightened security

    This is a list of the new things to consider when listing a cache (on Groundspeak) that have been mentioned / discussed or added to in the GC forum since the begining of september.

    Ive ignored a few repeats and probably missed a few at the same time as i did not open every thread.

    I felt that listing them here would enable a none GSP discussion to take place.
    Last edited by markandlynn; 4th November 2008 at 03:20 PM. Reason: abondoned is a good word wonder what it means added SP's to list
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    You missed commercial caches, event accessibility generally, and landowner agreement in a time of heightened security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simply Paul View Post
    You missed commercial caches, event accessibility generally, and landowner agreement in a time of heightened security.
    Aha the man who is desperate for a lifetime ban from GC.

    Covered in 1,2,3 and 4 but focused on the OP. Its a lot for one month, id be surprised if this many new considerations have been added in a year before.

    I suspect that this is what lactodaved and dodgydorum were resisting behind the scenes.
    Last edited by markandlynn; 4th November 2008 at 03:26 PM.
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    You suggest at the end of the post that we should discuss! Brave! So here's my one word (mostly) opinion on the new considerations!

    Quote Originally Posted by markandlynn View Post
    1. Night tacks - Bad. IMHO, no different to any other cache.
    2. London caches - Bad, but can't be helped. (At least Last Delivery was resurrected!)
    3. Political caches - Good - no place for political agenda in caching.
    4. Charity caches - Bad - UK charities are generally not divisive, so no reason to restrict
    5. Camping events - Bad - see my poll thread for my opinion on the new (or stricter) interpretations
    6. Caches without logbooks - Good - although virtuals would be nice to have back, the bottom line shuld be some kind of log book.
    7. Neglected caches - Bad (Obviously)
    8. Abondoned caches - Bad, (also obviously)
    9. Power trails (definition) - I have no problem with them!
    10. Churchyard / graveyard caches - I approve of the new guideline
    11. Railway station caches - Its a shame it became necessary, but how hard is it to place it off rail property? I'm sure all the ones I've done are...
    12. Historic caches (1st in UK etc) - Should be doing everything we can to keep them, but only where the cache history is important/interesting. The location itself doesn't warrant special treatment, as a new cache can always be placed.
    13. War memorials - whats wrong with them I say?!

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    I think you should add ESP and telepathy.

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    If I get a lifetime ban for asking questions, having an opinion and the will (bravery?) to express it, then I welcome one. To misquote Groucho Marx, "I wouldn't want to belong to any club that wouldn't have me as a member'

    You're right, that is quite a lot of things to consider when placing a cache. I see on the 'other place' that caches have already not been set due to all too many questions about their theme (cooling towers being demolished) - I don't suppose this has been the only case, but even if it is, it's not a happy trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost in Space View Post
    I think you should add ESP and telepathy.
    Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by markandlynn View Post
    I suspect that this is what lactodavid and dodgydorum were resisting behind the scenes.
    Part of it yes. Certainly some of those issues you mention, and Paul's additions, were causing angst when Dave and I decided we'd had enough.

    From a personal POV I am in agreement with most, if not all, of what Dave Gerrie mentions. Not that it will do any good to discuss it here though. We might feel good having vented our collective spleens as it were, but it won't make a jot of difference "over there".

    The current UK review team will still have to continue doing what they're told with a lot less freedom than Dave and I had. Maybe that's why there's so much bickering/argument going on over there these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hornet View Post
    Maybe that's why there's so much bickering/argument going on over there these days.
    Really? I haven't seen that

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    Is "recycled caches" covered in "abandoned caches"?

    Actually, I was idly thinking about this whole area last night and I wondered whether they have the same discussions (debates/bickering/angst) in the US. I haven't tried to find out but I suspect that the reviewers there have an easier time as people are more likely to accept any decision without question, even if it appears illogical.

    Is there a "British mentality" that makes it more difficult to impose authoritarian rules and regulations on the public here? I kind of feel that there is but I might be just falling for a stereotype. Obviously, it won't apply across the board, but the generalisation may have an element of truth behind it.

    I have noticed in several cities in the USA, that everyone waits at the side of the road for the "green man" before crossing, even when there's clearly no traffic around. In the UK people just go when it's clear whatever the signal: but when I did that across the pond I was tutted at. A hint of basic cultural differences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markandlynn View Post
    1. Night tacks
    Night Tacks was a Woodland Trust thing wasn't it? - not GSP per se?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Sieni View Post
    Night Tacks was a Woodland Trust thing wasn't it? - not GSP per se?
    Yup but it applies to all new UK night caches now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markandlynn View Post
    Yup but it applies to all new UK night caches now.
    are you sure? I thought it only applied to caches on woodland trust land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Humphrey View Post
    ..........

    Is there a "British mentality" that makes it more difficult to impose authoritarian rules and regulations on the public here? I kind of feel that there is but I might be just falling for a stereotype. Obviously, it won't apply across the board, but the generalisation may have an element of truth behind it.

    I have noticed in several cities in the USA, that everyone waits at the side of the road for the "green man" before crossing, even when there's clearly no traffic around. In the UK people just go when it's clear whatever the signal: but when I did that across the pond I was tutted at. A hint of basic cultural differences?
    Having had years of contact with many people in America and having visited many times both on business and for pleasure I think there's a lot of truth in what you say. We may speak similar languages but we are very different societies. I'm not saying one is "better" than the other, just that we are different.

    Unfortunately, IMHO, Groundspeak is becoming less tolerant of such differences as geocaching develops and grows and is seeking to create a homogeneous experience based on a single vision of what it "should" be. I suppose that whether or not you think that this is a good thing depends on how you view that vision.

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