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    As the questions I answered have vanished...
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    It would be interesting to know what this thread's all about, but perhaps we never shall...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill D (wwh) View Post
    It would be interesting to know what this thread's all about, but perhaps we never shall...
    I'm also a bit puzzled by this thread?
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    I still have a record of my answers if it's really doing anyone's head in..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simply Paul View Post
    I still have a record of my answers if it's really doing anyone's head in..?
    Well, it is rather, actually...
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    New forum game?
    Here's the answer, what's the question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill D (wwh) View Post
    Well, it is rather, actually...
    In that case: Mandy asked three questions, which as she's assures me she didn't deliberately mean to delete, I'm happy to reproduce. Along with them, in bold below, she gave her own views, which I didn't make a copy of. This might stop some of my responses making perfect sense, but see how you do-

    Should any future moderators/reviewers be anonymous ? And I mean really anonymous
    I can't see that working. It becomes a guessing game and people love those. Whoever has these roles needs the respect of their peers, and that's hard to have from behind a mask. Plus it'd get out sooner or later anyway- why not be up front about it?

    Does familiarity breed contempt?
    For me, the change was when Lacto and Ecky left; the answers got more vague, when they came at all, and the global mods started taking a more active (and less gentle) interest. I don't think familiarity breeds anything- good forum moderation is an art, not a science, and not everyone had the fine eye for detail Lacto and Ecky had. That's not to say no one else has it though.

    Should we have no UK mods and just let those over the pond moderate the forums?
    My experience of global mods has been disappointing. But then Jeremy doesn't set a great example, in my opinion. Why politely suggest when you can warn? Why warn when you can ban? I think someone who understands British humour, lingo and spelling should be able to do the job better than a non Brit, plus the US is in a time zone that doesn't help- You'd get 'stuff' going on in the middle of the night, which might be ok for creatures of darkness like you and I, but generally... unhelpful, like the old satellite interviews Wogan used to do, with a 3 second delay. And when people are on in the evenings, it's day time in the US, when they have better things to be doing than minding us.
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    Global mods taking care of things in the UK forum?
    No thanks.

    Take a look at how they handled cachers using Jeremys avi.

    No "Please don't"
    or "Jeremy won't like that!"

    It was just go and tell -"Sir, sir, look what they're doing..."
    on one of his rare times away from the office.

    Lets have someone that can at least understand the British sense of humour!
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    Thanks for putting me out of my misery, Paul...!

    No, I agree that forum mods being truly anonymous wouldn't work. It'd certainly become a guessing game, they wouldn't get the respect they deserve - not that they always do anyway, but that's another matter - and the truth would out in the end.

    I think the UK gc.com forum should definitely have UK mods, and it would be nice to see them left to get on with it with no interference from above. Obviously the forum belongs to GSP and they can do what they want with it, but is a little bit of freedom in there really going to damage them? Given that the majority of their paying customers don't read any forums anyway, I hardly think so.
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    I'm all for the TPTB to be hands off and let the UK Mods do their jobs, however when the brown stuff does hit the fan it would appear that the UK Mods do not have any support from Groundspeak.

    If the global mods showed more support then I am sure that Deci and MrsB wouldn't have resigned.

    No point showing a united front after the fact.

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    Should any future moderators/reviewers be anonymous ? And I mean really anonymous

    This would clearly be a non-starter, but given this weeks entertainment, who would want to stick their name on it.

    Does familiarity breed contempt?

    Sure it does, but in relation to moderating the GSP forum this doesn't even register, GSP has to go a long way down this list of issues before addressing this, and even then I wouldn't perceive this as a major concern.

    Should we have no UK mods and just let those over the pond moderate the forums?

    Well, that's what's happening now! And I don't see GSP rushing to find a new UK mod/s any time soon. Of course this won't be a good thing for the forum, but given the current climate it would be the easiest thing for GSP to do.

    Is it just me, or can anyone else see Miss Jenn's apology to Mandarin as a really positive thing? With a bit more effort like this, there's not much further to go before a constructive dialogue could be entered in to.
    What I would like to see is, one senior GSP lackey being allowed to address the collective concerns of the UK community, and for those concerns to be dealt with, without the need for what happened on the GSP forum of late.

    I totally understand the frustrations of those in the community who feel that they are not being listened to, but we're simply going to go backward when we allow threads to degenerate into nothing more than a shouting match. We need to discuss our concerns among ourselves, reach a consensus, and allow our representation to discuss these issues with GSP. What other viable alternative do we have?
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    Jacobite,

    The cynic in me says that Miss Jenn has only appeared because Jeremy had asked her to appear. Where was she when all of this kicked off?

    Sure a couple of the global mods were in there. Only then they were in there because MrsB and Deci decided not to moderate a thread that was criticising them.

    As I said hands off approach in the UK forum, but still monitor the situation so they can step in to support the UK mods.

    I think the way forward here is for GSP to set up a UK based division that tailors to the culture and the way we do things here.

    This I feel would go a long way to appeasing a lot of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Book Of Shadows View Post
    Jacobite,

    The cynic in me says that Miss Jenn has only appeared because Jeremy had asked her to appear. Where was she when all of this kicked off?

    Sure a couple of the global mods were in there. Only then they were in there because MrsB and Deci decided not to moderate a thread that was criticising them.

    As I said hands off approach in the UK forum, but still monitor the situation so they can step in to support the UK mods.

    I think the way forward here is for GSP to set up a UK based division that tailors to the culture and the way we do things here.

    This I feel would go a long way to appeasing a lot of people.
    I think that if we take into account the views of the whole UK caching community there is very little problem and no real need for such a solution.

    Why should GSP alter things for a small but vocal minority who seem hell-bent on finding fault in all things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Book Of Shadows View Post
    Jacobite,

    The cynic in me says that Miss Jenn has only appeared because Jeremy had asked her to appear. Where was she when all of this kicked off?

    Sure a couple of the global mods were in there. Only then they were in there because MrsB and Deci decided not to moderate a thread that was criticising them.

    As I said hands off approach in the UK forum, but still monitor the situation so they can step in to support the UK mods.

    I think the way forward here is for GSP to set up a UK based division that tailors to the culture and the way we do things here.

    This I feel would go a long way to appeasing a lot of people.
    Believe me, I'm just as frustrated as you at the way GSP has handled this.
    But we're doing ourselves no favours by shouting the odds on one thread, then moving onto the next thread and doing the same....and so on.
    The net result is, two UK mods gone and global mods having to fill the gap, let's see how far we can push them! They'll be dishing out bans like smarties.

    Isn't it time that GSP were approached without them feeling overwhelmed?
    The first question I'd be asking them is: Who can we talk to within GSP, that will listen and respond to our concerns?
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