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Thread: How to influence cache placements at Terracaching

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    Hi all

    We often have quoted in these forum that various attempts have been made to contact the site admin at the other listing sites. For those that are not aware, I don't cache at GC but use TC (Yes I know I logged a GC the other day but I was hunting a TC that was meant to be in it).

    TC uses a different method of cache review to the review system on GC. The TC system is that everyone is a reviewer if they choose to sponsor another cacher.

    So, I maintain that contacting the site owner at TC is a fruitless task, we that play on TC can't get in touch with him so I see little reason a small association based on a tiny island thousands of miles away are going to get a response!

    It is pointless the GAGB attempting to treat all listing sites the same, why should they operate in the same way? Souldn't the GAGB be attempting to influence cache placement within the UK via different means appropriate to the site involved?

    So, how would folk suggest that UK cachers on TC be brought under the GAGB umbrella?

    Kev

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    The committee are making further attempts to communicate.

    Though really why should we do all the running. There are several people on here who cache on that so called quality site (I have yet to see any evidence of this).

    Sandvika is on the committee and a teracahcer. What more do you want? You keep telling us we are wrong but don't give us any realistic alternative!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk View Post
    The committee are making further attempts to communicate.

    Though really why should we do all the running. There are several people on here who cache on that so called quality site (I have yet to see any evidence of this).

    Sandvika is on the committee and a teracahcer. What more do you want? You keep telling us we are wrong but don't give us any realistic alternative!
    I'm sorry! You wish to represent UK cachers and negociate on our behalf but the cachers should leap to join you? Good luck with that approach. Unbelieveable!!


    You're main answer seems to be that you will resume trying to contact the same way you failed last time.

    Sandvika is on the committee because he was elected there, not because the GAGB committee wanted a terracacher!

    OK, an alternative. Look at how approvals work on TC, join TC, become active, engage with the TCers, not some bloke at the top who isn't interested, and SPONSOR others. Hey presto, you're a reviewer and in a position to influence cache placement.

    Of course i would need a number of people and a spread around the UK. It wouldn't get total influence but it would be better than doing nothing except sending the odd email!
    Last edited by Icenians; 17th January 2009 at 06:10 PM. Reason: Typo

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    I am sorry for having an opinion.

    We don't just send the odd email. Most of us are also members of terracaching.

    I no longer look for teracaches though I ma happy to both sponsor and review.

    Most of what I have seen on terracaching (locally) in my personal perception are protest caches

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk View Post
    I am sorry for having an opinion.

    We don't just send the odd email. Most of us are also members of terracaching.

    I no longer look for teracaches though I ma happy to both sponsor and review.

    Most of what I have seen on terracaching (locally) in my personal perception are protest caches
    I don't have an issue with you having an opinion, just the fact that as someone elected to the comittee of an organisation that is meant to be REPRESENTING cachers to landowners feeling that they shouldn't be doing the running. If you feel that it's too much effort, don't volounteer!

    I've no idea which area you are from but I can say that none of my caches are protest caches nor did I get that feeling from Devon recently. I simply like the underdog and the style of the game at TC.

    But none of this advances the issue of influencing cache placement on TC in the UK.

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    Like I said, happy to review caches, still waiting for one to come through for review.

    Long wait.

    Not a very effective way of communicating after the cache has been placed though?

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    Kev has a good point, IMO.
    This seems to apply to every listing site apart from GC.com, which as I've said elsewhere appears to be more of a geocaching body than just a listing site.

    So why try and contact a representative of the listing site? I think generally there just simply is no such person, therefore any communication is bound to be in vain. If I was setting up a new listing site, I'd make sure that I never got involved with landowner permissions or other issues and I'd make it clear that I merely set up a blank database for people to use. Apart from ensuring no illegal use of the web site, I'd have nothing to do with the data; much less the physical caches.

    So the people to contact are the cache placers; and they may decide to remain anonymous, ignoring any contact from the GAGB. It's the nature of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk View Post
    Like I said, happy to review caches, still waiting for one to come through for review.

    Long wait.

    Not a very effective way of communicating after the cache has been placed though?
    Er, when is the communication done at GC if there is a problem then?

    If the people you sponsor are not placing caches then you don't have a problem. Of course caches are being placed all the time which is why I suggest that you need more thn 1 or 2.

    I simply put forward a suggestion, at your request, as I maintain that trying to contact someone at the very top who simply doesn't want to be contacted is a waste of time. I would also suggest that for the site owner to actually be able to engineer some method for GAGB to have influence, changes would have to be made to the way TC is played. That is an approach that is doomed to failure.

    I would suggest that engagement with the actual reviewers at TC, i.e the TC cachers, is far more likely to provide results than the current approach. I really do no see how repeating the approach that has been seen to fail can possibly be worthwhile!

    Kev

    Kev

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    Have we said anywhere that is the only approach we are trying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk View Post
    Have we said anywhere that is the only approach we are trying?
    Ah well. I would refer you to the secrecy thread then! If the committee wish to keep everything close to their collective chest then they must deal with the flack and misunderstandings that arise from that.

    As an active TC cacher I can safely say that the only attempt to work with TC at the cacher level is an annual post informing us that the GAGB elections are due. Perhaps this is the level of communication you are refering to.

    Kev
    Last edited by Icenians; 17th January 2009 at 06:54 PM. Reason: Typos

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    It is not about secrecy, it is about a committee doing its job and making decisions, that's the whole point of a committee.

    When and if we make approaches in other ways I am sure you will be aware of them.

    Perhaps you as a frequent GAGB forum and terracaching forum user could help promote the GAGB?

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    We do engage in dialogue with individual cachers on TC, and as it happens both of my own sponsors there are members of GAGB. But trying to contact every individual UK Terracacher would of course be a hopeless task, and forum posts are no solution because of course so many cachers don't use the forums.

    What we'd like to see is some recognition from TC that at least some landowners require permission to be sought before caches are placed on their land, and that there are blanket agreements with many landowners which have conditions that the landowners require to be met. That recognition can of course only come from the top, and unfortunately the top remains silent.

    That said, I would welcome suggestions as to how UK TC cachers could be brought under GAGB's umbrella.
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    All we're looking for, are people who could represent terra and navi. We can't deal with all terracachers at the same time, as we'd go round in circles and never get anything done.
    It's terracaching's structure that stops us from being able to find someone who has the ability do deal with the needs of terracachers in the UK.
    Here's an idea? Instead of the GAGB continually trying to find someone who can speak on your behalf, why don't UK terracachers communicate with each other and nominate a trusted member of the terra community to deal with the GAGB.
    I'm just going outside, and may be some time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill D (wwh) View Post
    We do engage in dialogue with individual cachers on TC, and as it happens both of my own sponsors there are members of GAGB. But trying to contact every individual UK Terracacher would of course be a hopeless task, and forum posts are no solution because of course so many cachers don't use the forums.

    What we'd like to see is some recognition from TC that at least some landowners require permission to be sought before caches are placed on their land, and that there are blanket agreements with many landowners which have conditions that the landowners require to be met. That recognition can of course only come from the top, and unfortunately the top remains silent.

    That said, I would welcome suggestions as to how UK TC cachers could be brought under GAGB's umbrella.
    May I suggest you build a presence on the terracaching wiki as a start. Any sponsored user can edit those pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobite View Post
    All we're looking for, are people who could represent terra and navi. We can't deal with all terracachers at the same time, as we'd go round in circles and never get anything done.
    It's terracaching's structure that stops us from being able to find someone who has the ability do deal with the needs of terracachers in the UK.
    Here's an idea? Instead of the GAGB continually trying to find someone who can speak on your behalf, why don't UK terracachers communicate with each other and nominate a trusted member of the terra community to deal with the GAGB.
    That's just off loading the GAGB committee's problem to an individual. There is no real way around the structure at TC so the need exists for GAGB to work within that structure. Nobody is suggesting for a minute that GAGB can or should personally engage with ever cacher but an attempt has to be made for communication from an organisation that claims to represent cachers.

    I started this thread in an attempt to have some positive discussion and ideas to help the GAGB towards working with TC. It seems I'm failing in that goal. I was kind of hoping someone out there would have a suggestion, or combination of suggestions, that would help.

    I'm getting the impression from this that the GAGB would rather TC just stayed quietly out of the way

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