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    Kouros.

    I think that, as a committee member you should not be asking what other committee members think on a subject that effects the committee in open forum..
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    Originally posted by Moss Trooper@Nov 7 2003, 10:27 PM
    Kouros.

    I think that, as a committee member you should not be asking what other committee members think on a subject that effects the committee in open forum..
    Why not??

    Why is there a need for secrecy in such a small organisation?

    Then again, maybe it's better to discuss things on the committee forum where the unelected Founder Memebers (& Sprog Blitz) can see what the proper committee are up to.
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    This being something that affects the entire membership, and does not involve outside parties (and by no means a secretive issue), I felt was something that should be discussed on an open forum. There are some matters that, in my honest opinion, should be dealt with in a closed room, and some that needn't be, where feedback from all members would be beneficial. Since this one is already out in the open, why shouldn't the opinions of the committee be too? Mine are for that very reason.

    However, if any of the committee members would prefer to discuss it on the closed forum, that's fine too.

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    Originally posted by Muggle@Nov 8 2003, 01:12 AM
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    Muggle, that is a very offensive post and has been reported to admin 3 times.

    We do not welcome this sort of behaviour on our services. Please do not behave in this manner again.
    <span style=\'font-size:10pt;line-height:100%\'><span style=\'color:green\'><span style=\'font-family:Arial\'>totally brassed off </span></span></span>

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    Trying to get back on topic ... how will the new internet presence be funded? Will the GAGB be looking for donations?

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    I am sure that when the committee have made their decisions, they will let the members know.

    In the meantime let&#39;s all trust their judgement and wait.

    Debbie

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    Originally posted by Tim and June+Nov 8 2003, 01:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tim and June @ Nov 8 2003, 01:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Muggle@Nov 8 2003, 01:12 AM
    (& Sprog Blitz)
    Muggle, that is a very offensive post and has been reported to admin 3 times.

    We do not welcome this sort of behaviour on our services. Please do not behave in this manner again.[/b][/quote]
    Perhaps you might like to explain what was offensive about it?


    And while you are at it perhaps you could define who "WE" are in this case?
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    Thank you Bramblers.
    As the committee is still in its infancy, we are all aware that there are alot of things that need to be addressed. This will take some time, but be assured we will let everyone know what is happening when & where it is going to happen and as soon as anything has been arranged or decided, we won&#39;t treat you all as mushrooms, but inform everyone as soon as it is possible.
    A constitution is currently being processed which will available as soon as we have dotted the i&#39;s & crossed the t&#39;s, but as we all aren&#39;t able to communicate together on a daily basis it will take a little time.
    On another note a meeting with the FC re the New Forest is also in the process of being organised & we will inform you of that when we have some more information but it will be on a date later this month.
    Thank you all for your patience&#33;
    Sarah x

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    Originally posted by Team Tate@Nov 8 2003, 05:43 PM
    On another note a meeting with the FC re the New Forest is also in the process of being organised & we will inform you of that when we have some more information but it will be on a date later this month.
    Glad to see someone doing something useful rather than just arguing the whys and wherefores

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    Originally posted by Tim and June@Nov 7 2003, 06:09 PM
    Seems that the committee don&#39;t think it&#39;s too good an idea for us to host the site.

    Also seems that it&#39;s time for us (T&J) to sadly close the doors on our connections with the association.

    Sorry Kouros, wasn&#39;t trying to upstage the committee but we have recieved two emails asking. Thought it would be a reasonable idea to let the members know.
    (Paul with his own hat on

    I should point out that the initial "impetus" was not actually from the committee: there were several comments made in open forum that questioned the "effects" of T&J continuing to host the GAGB web site & forums: specifically, I seem to remember someone comment along the lines of "well, they&#39;ve already threatened to pull the plug twice".... another comment was something like "one person should not have the ability to ....."

    I believe it was with these sort of feelings in mind that the committee felt that it needed to be able to reassure the membership that "things are ok", and that required that we secure a "safe" long-term home for the GAGB site.

    Personally, I would have had NO problems leaving the site hosted by Tim & June - I trust their integrity - but I am VERY aware that if as a committee we had decided to take that route, then we would have to suffer a LOT of negative comments from some members who do not know T&J that well.

    I am actually very sad that T&J have effectively been "hounded" out of GAGB by certain members putting them in a position where nothing they could do was deemed to be right. I am VERY aware of the hurt this has caused T&J too... I don&#39;t think many people realise QUITE how much effort was spent by T&J (and others of the "secret seven" too&#33 in getting GAGB started up. Most of you are blissfully unaware of all that, and some are just happy to complain when things are not going the way THEY think things should.

    At the moment, I want to see GAGB moving forwards, and NOT sitting around "arguing the toss".... if that means that I have to bite my tongue occasionally, then I&#39;m gonna have to do it, and I hope others on the committee (and other members too&#33 will do the same...


    Finally, can I re-iterate what Kouros has said: most of us have lives to lead. Normally I am at work (sometimes away from home) during the day, and have other things to do in the evenings too (many of us have kids) - although this week I have suffered from an extremely bad back, meaning that for several days & evenings I have been flat on my back in bed..... its not easy to do much when you&#39;re like that.

    Things WILL take time, we ALL have a limited number of hours available per week, and even though I&#39;ve agreed to be on the committee, that is NOT going to stop me having a life / going caching.


    Paul

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    Originally posted by Muggle@Nov 8 2003, 01:12 AM

    Why is there a need for secrecy in such a small organisation?

    Alex

    Have you ever actually SERVED on a committee?

    If you have, then you will KNOW that there are times when things need to be discussed discretely.


    Let&#39;s take a hypothetical example (which is actually very relevant): should GAGB move the website & forum away from T&J&#39;s servers, and if so, where to? (and, just as importantly, where NOT to). Various options will need to be discussed, but to discuss them IN PUBLIC would NOT be very useful: people (including YOU, I have no doubt) would very quickly get all uptight because maybe they manage to read something into our messages which was never there.

    Another example: what should we, the committee, do about sockpuppets? Who ARE the sock-puppets? Wow, people would go BALLISTIC if we had an open & honest discussion on THAT in public.


    So, Alex, get real, and understand that there IS a reason for a certain amount of "confidentiality".


    Now, before you say ANYTHING about my son, Michael, being able to read the committee forum:

    (i) before Michael was allowed to read anything, I asked if any other committee members had any objections. I think most, if not all, of the committee have met Michael, so they were able to make "an informed decision". There were no objections - if there had been, I would NOT have allowed Michael to read the forum;

    (ii) Michael is a very intelligent 14 year old, and as such, has actually a lot to contribute to GAGB. However, he is also very aware that he has to keep the confidentiality of committee discussions. His posting saying that he was able to see the committee forum was not a good thing to have done (as has been demonstrated by the subsequent postings);

    (iii) I, too, do not like my son being called a "sprog"...... it is NOT the sort of phrase that one should use unless one is DELIBERATELY trying to stir things up. I would have said nothing, but it seems that 3 others have already voiced their "displeasure" at that phrase.

    (iv) if at any time, any of the committee feel that they no longer want Michael to read the forum, then I will ensure that is the case. If that happens, I may well then question about other&#39;s partners access.

    (v) In any case, I feel that, in the same way I might talk (on a personal level) to other non-committee members about what the committee are doing, then I would still discuss things with Michael. I don&#39;t discuss them with my wife, as she doesn&#39;t really have much interest in caching.


    Well, my back is hurting again, so the TV is about to win again&#33;

    Paul Blitz (speaking his OWN mind)

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    Originally posted by paul.blitz@Nov 8 2003, 07:38 PM
    I seem to remember someone comment along the lines of "well, they&#39;ve already threatened to pull the plug twice".... another comment was something like "one person should not have the ability to ....."
    So Tim actually making a post on this forum on at least two separate occasions saying that he was ready to pull the plug on it didn&#39;t come into it at all ... it was that that someone bought it up again afterwards.

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    Originally posted by Muggle@Nov 8 2003, 05:35 PM

    Perhaps you might like to explain what was offensive about it?

    Personally I&#39;d have thought the fact that three people found it offensive is enough. Just because you don&#39;t find it offensive doesn&#39;t mean other people don&#39;t. Please have some respect for other people&#39;s feelings.
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    Originally posted by paul.blitz@Nov 8 2003, 08:08 PM
    (iii) I, too, do not like my son being called a "sprog"...... it is NOT the sort of phrase that one should use unless one is DELIBERATELY trying to stir things up. I would have said nothing, but it seems that 3 others have already voiced their "displeasure" at that phrase.

    In this neck of the woods the term "sprog" isn&#39;t offensive. I certainly did not use that term to "DELIBERATELY trying to stir things up". If you see it as that way, then I am more than happy to withdraw the remark.

    I wonder why the same people who voiced their displeasure did not do the same over the barrage of vitriol, whispers and untruths that I have been subjected to on this forum over the past couple of weeks. Fortunately I have a thicker skin.

    I suppose I should have been happy that Michael wanted to investigate the identity of Piggly. Had he succeeded where the others had previously failed, at least it would have perhaps convinced the doubters that it wasn&#39;t me.
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    Originally posted by el10t@Nov 8 2003, 08:27 PM
    Personally I&#39;d have thought the fact that three people found it offensive is enough. Just because you don&#39;t find it offensive doesn&#39;t mean other people don&#39;t. Please have some respect for other people&#39;s feelings.
    Just like the author of this post had respect for my feelings??

    we all know yer a puppet, troll, pain in the ass.. so are you man/woman (sorry ladies) enough to come clean.. if not then shut up.. and get out.. you are not wanted or welcome.
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