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Thread: Hints - Do We Need Them?

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    Default Hints - Do We Need Them?

    I'm in the Midlands, and there appears to be a trend recently where caches are set without hints being provided. This seems to be just so that the CO can "make the cache more difficult".

    This does frustrate me at times. I know we all play the game in different ways, but personally I tend to use the hint pretty much all of the time.

    My main frustration is where you are given no indication as to the container, and no hint, only to arrive at GZ to find a wooded area covered in ivy, and as a consequence the place gets trashed. Surely this is not something that we should be doing as geocachers?

    In these instances, I tend to make a casual visual search then move on if I can't visibly see the cache, and make a note to that effect in my "DNF" log.

    It's also frustrating when a series of 10+ caches on a fairly long hike all have no hint, and you walk several miles and end up with a few DNF's and have to go back piecemeal to finish things off.

    I'm all for a cryptic hint, or no hint at all provided that the cache is a clever hide and the surrounding area won't get damaged.

    Or is it just me moaning?

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    Thumbs up They can be invaluable

    It depends on where the cache is hidden I suppose. There are some I would never have found with a hint, some where I needed help from the owner even with the hint, and some where you could 'see' the likely location from 50 yards!

    I'm all for encrypted hints being provided so that novices are not put off from the hobby, while the experts can ignore them.

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    We don't like what appears ,to us ,to be an increasing trend of
    " hint given upon request after logging a d.n.f."

    Being a bit stubborn it makes us even more determined to find without a hint
    ....and that from us who always use hints when they are given on cache details .:lol:
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    To be honest I like simple clear clues.
    I've always thought that the idea of going caching was to see something new and interesting, not to find out that the person setting the cache is cleverer than you and can devise a more cunning clue.

    Set the cache and put a clear clue, helps all enjoy the cache and stops the area around GZ being totally trashed, I've seen some really bad examples of this happening.

    but then I've got a migraine so maybe I'm just being grumpy

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    we went out today to look for a few caches one was a nano in a town center park where the owner even says in his page that his coords are 30 foot out !!! now when we got there there was a large bushy area a bridge a fenced area a memorial to george elliot 4 to 5 metal seating areas a total needle in a haystack !!!!!!!!!!!!
    the hint was NOT YET ! was no fun at all and wasted a good part of a loverly day for caching

    im all for hints me nd mrs ferret always have a good look around first then if after 30 odd mins we cant find we have a look at the hint

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    I always put hints on my own cache listings - I set the caches because I want people to find them!

    With urban micros and other very public caches I always read the hint before attempting the cache, in order to be as inconspicuous as possible when searching.

    With other caches, if I feel it's the right sort of area I'll search for up to half an hour before resorting to the hint, but if it's the sort of wooded area that Stokesy describes above then I'll read the hint before I start searching.

    Slightly OT, but with my only puzzle cache I invite people to check the co-ords with me before setting out.
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    I tend to put clear concise clues to my caches with the exception of a series I had of 15 where I did not state the cache size (other than a generalisation for all caches - sizewise in the listing) or give any clues as they were obvious - at least I thought so.

    I was just at the point where I was going to add a clue or two to the more difficult ones when I was asked to remove them all as The Wildlife Trusts had decided to ban all caches on their proprty in Cambs - while they review Geocaching.
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    I don't usually read the hint unless I've had a good look and can't find it, but I will always read the hint if:

    • It's an urban cache, so as not to look too suspicious
    • It's in a 'fragile' area, so as not to cause any more disturbance than is strictly necessary (I've seen some GZs almost trashed by people trampling bluebells, breaking up tree stumps etc).
    • It's a micro in the woods - that's not really my idea of fun.

    So in answer to the OP, Yes we do need hints.

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    After a few incidents re FTF we only add hints after the FTF.
    "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning."

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazooks View Post
    I tend to put clear concise clues to my caches with the exception of a series I had of 15 where I did not state the cache size (other than a generalisation for all caches - sizewise in the listing) or give any clues as they were obvious - at least I thought so.

    I was just at the point where I was going to add a clue or two to the more difficult ones when I was asked to remove them all as The Wildlife Trusts had decided to ban all caches on their proprty in Cambs - while they review Geocaching.
    That was a nice series, we managed to find each one we looked for easily without any need for hints. Shame they have had to be suspended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martybartfast View Post
    I don't usually read the hint unless I've had a good look and can't find it, but I will always read the hint if:
    • It's an urban cache, so as not to look too suspicious
    • It's in a 'fragile' area, so as not to cause any more disturbance than is strictly necessary (I've seen some GZs almost trashed by people trampling bluebells, breaking up tree stumps etc).
    • It's a micro in the woods - that's not really my idea of fun.

    So in answer to the OP, Yes we do need hints.
    Much the way I do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martybartfast View Post
    I don't usually read the hint unless I've had a good look and can't find it, but I will always read the hint if:

    • It's an urban cache, so as not to look too suspicious
    • It's in a 'fragile' area, so as not to cause any more disturbance than is strictly necessary (I've seen some GZs almost trashed by people trampling bluebells, breaking up tree stumps etc).
    • It's a micro in the woods - that's not really my idea of fun.

    So in answer to the OP, Yes we do need hints.
    much the same here. what I hate is after a long search, resorting to the hint only to find a cryptic one.

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    It really ticks me off when someone hides a micro in an uninspiring location but there's no hint, as if making it harder to find makes it a 'proper' cache...

    It really, really ticks me off if the hint isn't helpful or is one of those 'oh so clever' ones that only makes sense once you've found the blasted thing!

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    I agree with pretty much every word of Stokesey's post. If you want a clever hide to tease people with, then fair enough, make the cache a Mystery and the location hard to deduce. But once at the site the hint is there to prevent excessive searching, both from environmental and geocaching enjoyment points of view. There's nothing clever about leaving the hint out.

    Although some people enjoy spending an hour minutely searching a 100 square metre ivy patch, I suspect that they are a small minority. And despite some claims that it's impossible to spot the signs of searching, I very much notice when a poor hint had led to an area being turned over by cachers.

    IMHO, the main reason for most caches being well-hidden is to protect them from muggles (NOT to make the finding a challenge; although there are some which are designed to provide a fair challenge to spot). Forcing cachers to spend more time at the location only tends to draw attention to the hiding place.

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    I was thinking of a "No Hint No Hunt" campaign, but I'll probably just bumble along as normal!

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