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Thread: The GAGB it's future and purpose

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    nobbynobbs Guest

    Default The GAGB it's future and purpose

    The below was posted by someone. It is a thought provoking comment that I felt needed to be raised on the open forums for people to read, digest, think about and comment on. It's touches on several aspects that are extremely important and need to be addressed. So:


    The GAGB seems to consist of:-

    1.A forum visited by a dozen or so regulars who pop in, add a couple of letters to a couple of threads, maybe answer a quiz question, then depart as soon as they arrived.

    2.The GLAD.

    We are offering our members absolutely nothing apart from a little used off-topic forum and a static database that, let's be honest, only the reviewers and people having permission problems ever visit.
    News and local issues are being catered for on the GS forums - and even more so on local forums.
    Caching stats are looked after - very well - by icache, which stole a march on us by taking up where GeocachingUK left off. It's not as though we didn't have the chance to get in there, either. We were just too slow.
    Tech issues are covered in the GS forums, on Chris's site, and elsewhere on the web.
    It seems like even my Facebook camping events page gets more visitors than we do here.

    Let's face facts - the site doesn't work. There is very VERY little here to bring in new membership, let alone keep them. How many visits would we even get if the reviewers didn't direct people here? We can't compete against the other caching forums - even newly established ones. So what, exactly, can we do to improve things?

    As an example - the only way forward I can see is as a general information site such as
    this. Ok - it's got nothing to do with caching, but it has a format that we could use. We need to build on what we can actually offer people that they aren't already getting elsewhere - which we don't seem to be doing at the moment.

    In fairness, it's not just the web end that is WAY overdue for a revamp, but the whole ethos of the GAGB. The caching community in this country doesn't need us, so we either come up with something that makes them want us, or we are as dead as the site.

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    As some people will be aware, I raised a similar, although not so negative post just over a week ago. After some valid comments I have decided to take up the challenge of trying to get some new direction and liven the place up.

    See suggestions 1 - 17 (so far!)

    I believe there are some very successful regional forums but also some that are dead men walking. This can water down the collective strength of GB caching

    The GC.com forums are the natural stop off point for new cachers and also have great value. However they are US'centric, inflexible to UK users needs and wants (charity anybody?) and most of the time infuriating. Check out some of this weeks posts

    We need a co-ordinated national forum without the usual cross pond restraints - the GAGB seems like a good start that needs a little more drive/ ooomph.

    Incidentally I can't see the post in the forums that is referred to in the initial post - Any reason?

    RB

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    RuberyBlue Guest

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    Incidentally visitor numbers, although not huge, have been around 60 minimum each day this week.

    RB

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    The Web Rat Guest

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    Could you provide a source for the above post, I'd be interested in reading the whole thread.

    TIA

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    keehotee Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Web Rat View Post
    Could you provide a source for the above post, I'd be interested in reading the whole thread.

    TIA
    No, sorry - that was a post that I made in the committee only section of the forums. The rest of the thread is probably not relevant at this point in time.

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    The Forums: I visit, not every day but only check out the General Geocaching topics bit. I'm not into waymarking, trig points, games or quizzes. I answers posts if I can.

    The GLAD: The most important part of the GAGB from my point of view (as a reviewer that is). I am concerned about how uptodate it is. Here is one example. The FC for South East GLAD links to an application form that was originally hosted by The Hornet when he was a reviewer. That site has changed and the form isn't available. The page needs updating.

    I know the GAGB is run by volunteers and I know there have been issues with the server and cost etc. I'm a volunteer reviewer and also run the resource website (which I pay for myself but that is only 25 a year). It is not easy finding time. But if you want to keep people interested in the GAGB website it needs to be uptodate and have the information people need.

    Chris
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    As a non GAGB member but a long time forum user looking in can I add my 2p worth..

    1. Get rid of the membership. The GAGB says it represents all UK cachers so why need a membership The only thing I can't see is the members only bit of the forum of which I am a member???? (I can see the need for forum membership to control the 'nasty' people who spam places like this)

    2. Instead of treating the local forums as competition try to work with them. I try to post anything of interest from here on the EAC forum but have been and would be happy to work closer. I think there is a need for a non G.com national forum and the local forums should be just that... local.

    3. Is the GAGB too web based ... Unless cachers visit forums how do they know it's even there... Events are the place to meet the cachers... Contact the event setter and ask the if they wouldn't mind printing off a few leaflets to have at the event. Ask GAGB supporters to be more pro-active.. After nearly three years I still meet people at events in this area who don't know there even is an EAC forum... but they do after I have left.
    I know they are hated but have a design, on site, for one side of a calling card leaving the other side free. We used them quite a bit at the start and they brought in members.... Ask supporters to add a line to the bottom of cache logs saying "XYZ supports the GAGB" as a link to this site. Nearly everyone reads cache logs

    4. Discourage the us and them attitude to G.com on theis forum.. I don't go on the 'main' forum much because of the anti G.com posts... because all it does is end up turning UK cachers against each other and makes no difference at all to G.com but still drives away 'normal' cachers. This forum offer the chance to post what you can't over there but all people seem to do is moan about what they can't do and not what this great hobby can still do. The GAGB guidelines are used by the reviewers as UK specific why not try to use them to help get what you want

    5, The web site is already a good information site but doesn't invite you to 'have a dig' as NobbyN says the only reason people visit it is to look up the database

    I hope I haven't trod on too many toes but I believe that whether we like it or not the GAGB is here and has become part of the UK caching infrastructure and as such should try to reach out to ALL cachers
    Last edited by FuzzyBears; 25th February 2010 at 02:53 PM.

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    I have had some 'calender cards' made witha 2010 calender one side and along with our caching name and a piccy on the other side is a GAGB banner. We leave 2 or 3 in cache boxes for others to take.
    Last edited by DrDick&Vick; 25th February 2010 at 04:42 PM.

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    nobbynobbs Guest

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    Thanks for all the comments so far.

    By hearing the negative and positive we get to direct the future of the association. We need to hear why people don't use us and how we can amend that.

    I hope that between us all we'll be attending more events this year. But as has been said it comes down to all the members and users of this forum to spread the word.

    The original post came from a committee only thread and the rest of the topic is not relevant to the content of this thread.

    Please keep coming with the replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Blorenge View Post
    I'm not into ... trig points.
    That's a cry for help if ever I heard one

    I look in here most days, mainly because of the trig angle, but I do skim through other stuff as well and try to answer any questions etc if I can. I very rarely bother with local forums.

    My main interest in GAGB is as a coherent and non-commercial alternative to Groundspeak, not because I have any particular issue with that company, but because I think monopoly of any sort is bad. In my opinion, an opportunity was missed when opencaching.org.uk set up a separate (and little used) forum; a tighter degree of cooperation could have provided critical mass for non-Groundspeak caching on these islands.

    And as has been said already, the whole 'membership' thing is ridiculously complex for such a small organisation.
    Last edited by agentmancuso; 25th February 2010 at 07:23 PM. Reason: afterthought

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    I run one of the regional forums that have been mentioned but I sort of fell into it accidently I had a domain and I was playing around with different forum and blog software when someone found it and registered an acoount and then spread the word and it took of so quickly there was nothing I could do but continue

    I no longer cache but still visit this forum from time to time purely out of habit to be honest.

    I have mentioned the GAGB to people from time to time but the feedback I mostly got was "Why do we need another organisation when we have Groundspeak/Geocaching.com that has all we need ",

    I found it difficult to convince them that we should have a UK voice for if/when GSP/GC decided they would change things that had a major effect on us in the UK we would have an organisation that could speak on our behalf but most people seem to think that GSP/GC wouldn't do that .

    How the GAGB gets around this apathy is the million pound question that I personally don't have an answer to. :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Blorenge View Post
    The GLAD: The most important part of the GAGB from my point of view (as a reviewer that is). I am concerned about how uptodate it is. Here is one example. The FC for South East GLAD links to an application form that was originally hosted by The Hornet when he was a reviewer. That site has changed and the form isn't available. The page needs updating.
    The FC South East page has now been updated. I tried to get in contact with them a few weeks ago without success and have tried again tonight.

    We are also aware of some other issues in GLAD which we are working to resolve. However, if anyone has specific issues then please let me know and either I can advise if it's being addressed or progress it if not.

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    Where else can cachers find details about permissions agrements ?
    We like Greens

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    It would be useful if it was possibe to download one or more Memory Map or Google Earth overlays that showed the areas covered by Landowner Agreements and/or refusals.


    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by von-horst View Post
    It would be useful if it was possibe to download one or more Memory Map or Google Earth overlays that showed the areas covered by Landowner Agreements and/or refusals.


    Mike
    Agreed. This is on the to-do list.

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