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    I have decide to make a stand regarding logs that I receive.

    I know that I am not the only one in the community fed up with some of the logs that are coming through more frequently. I now have his header on all my cache pages.

    *Please note* As of 1st July, 2011 I will delete logs that are either blank, or only say Found or TFTC

    Some people won't like it I know and will go on about caches that are in a series, but I would rather have a c & p'd log that says a little bit more than TFTC or Found. I don't expect essays, but I do expect a little bit more.

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    From the experience of a local cache owner who has been reprimanded Groundspeak seem to be very much on the side of the blank loggers ..... but good luck anyway.

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    As Groundspeak have allowed cachers to post 'Blank Logs' I wish you well in your endeavor.

    Please let us know how you get on when the first cacher complains about their deleted blank log.

    And please let us know how the reviewers respond to you Additional Logging Requirement: *Please note* As of 1st July, 2011 I will delete logs that are either blank, or only say Found or TFTC


    Over in the US forums someone has had a log of "Obligatory Comment" logged on their cache.
    I have a Geocaching problem...
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    I may just take the stance that The Bolas Heathens have taken should this be a problem for Groundspeak.

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    I suggest the following wording as an explanatory e-mail to a typical culprit.

    Dear "Noobicacher".
    As a self-appointed Cache Log Comment Quality Assurance Officer, I have deleted your log which claims to have recorded a find by you of my geocache, on the 3rd inst. Do not attempt to reinstate this log without permission, otherwise further action may be taken. Instruction will follow as to the wording I shall consider sufficiently chrysostomatic.

    Should you wish to record your find for your records, please be advised that I will not allow you to use the web site geocaching.com for this purpose if you ignore my rules. I am empowered to take action against you under the Groundspeak Inc. Geocaching Guidelines, and I refer you particularly to section 3.1 "Logging of All Physical Geocaches". Although this appears to give me no such powers, and actually seems to forbid this log deletion in such circumstances, the wording is erroneous and should allow me to delete any logs of any type that I deem unsatisfactory.

    Only through assiduous and fastidious study of all cache logs will there be an improvement of the standards that I uphold. Therefore, if you continue to elide fulsome literature in your cache logging in this insouciant fashion I may take more serious action against you personally in the future in order to protect the public from this increasingly endemic problem.

    I am, sir, your most humble and obedient servant...X.

    P.S. Happy caching, and welcome to our friendly community.
    Last edited by Happy Humphrey; 3rd July 2011 at 09:40 PM. Reason: Amended layout

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacaru View Post
    *Please note* As of 1st July, 2011 I will delete logs that are either blank, or only say Found or TFTC
    I thought ALR was disallowed?

    I see I can still log it with a '.'
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    To be honest, I'm just glad that someone has taken the time to look for and find one of my caches ! I have had lots of good comments to weigh against the TFTCs.I don't want to discourage even the "sent from my mobile phone" loggers as they often get more "into it" and discover the joys of a decent GPS. I check the cache logs every couple of months against GS and can see no real reason to delete the logs if they have signed the log sheet properly. I know some cachers feel strongly about it but there are much more important issues to get wound up about (my opinion only !!!)
    Si vis pacem para bellum

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    If I post a log..."TFTC, but main log at #1". Are you going to delete that and the others I log in a series also?
    Why not let any logger log. Delete the found email and just move on.
    You're getting hot under the collar for so little, I can only worry.

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    We each play the game and interpret it in our own way. Some things I accept, some I don't.

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    I've seen very few totally blank logs on our caches so far.

    I won't delete them but I was pondering the best way to get my concern across so yesterday I sent this email to one blank logger:

    Hi there
    I'm dropping you an email because I've just seen that you've put a Found log on our cache [xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] but the log is totally blank.
    I don't know if that was just an accidental error in logging, or whether you meant it to be without any comment. If you intended not to write anything that's fair enough, but I just thought I'd let you know that no words appeared!
    Most geocache owners appreciate a sentence in a log, even if it's just "Found quickly on a hot day" or whatever, because it gives them feedback on the finder's experience of the cache. If you would like to add anything to your log you can do so by going to the blank log on that cache page and clicking on "Edit log".
    Wishing you happy caching...

    That says all I want to say and it might be enough to make the blank loggers reconsider their style - or lack of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacaru View Post
    We each play the game and interpret it in our own way. Some things I accept, some I don't.
    That is of course, your prerogative. But if you use geocaching.com as a listing site you have to take notice of their guidelines. Deleting a log because you don't like the style of logging is not a valid reason.

    Fortunately, you're only allowed to delete logs from pages you listed; so at least any disputes will be limited. But the idea of allowing you such powers is so that you can quickly clear up problems in the wording of comments, e.g. giving away spoiler information or using bad language. Abusing the privilege by using it to enforce your preferred style is in my view out of order.

    Relax. It's only a few geocaching logs anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacaru View Post
    We each play the game and interpret it in our own way. Some things I accept, some I don't.
    Actually, we don't have absolute freedom in how we play the game and interpret it. By creating a cache page listing, you agree to accept Groundspeak's guidelines, which regulate how the part of the game which takes place on Geocaching.com, is played. So you don't have any choice in the matter. You have accepted the guidelines, and one of those is that you can't impose conditions on the contents of the online log. (Doubtless there are other cache listing sites where you can impose restrictions to your heart's content.)

    Personally, I try to place caches that will give seekers an experience worth writing about. But I'm not going to demand that they write X words about it, because I'm not a schoolteacher setting an essay for homework. I'm also not going to delete the log of a 4-year-old member of a team who has their own account but can only pick out the letters "TFTC" on a keyboard.

    Oh, and when you start deleting logs, be prepared for people to ask exactly what would be acceptable. Whereabouts on the continuum of "Thanks", "Thanks a lot", "Thanks for the cache", "Thanks a lot for the cache", and "Thanks a lot for the cache, I hope this log is long enough" are you going to draw the line ? It seems only fair to specify this in advance, even though of course that will immediately tell people how to get past your requirement for spontaneity. Sometimes, when you think about things, they can turn out to be harder than you expected... which is often a hint that you might not want to do them at all.

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