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Thread: Challenges ~ A Positive View

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    Surely it is too early to be throwing toys out of prams about the challenges!

    Yes, I can see that people don't like change, and yes I can see that (at first) there may be a lot of silliness around the challenges that people set. But this is something new and it will take time to build. Groundspeak have tried to come back with something for people who bemoaned the loss of virtuals, webcams etc.

    I haven't quite got my head around the physical challenges yet, but the photographic ones have a lot of potential.

    You will be able to set challenges that take people to areas that you want to show them, where you can't place a physical container (surely just like virtuals) and the proof is shown in a photograph.

    Even Earthcaches ask for photographic evidence, how often do we see the line "to claim this cache email a photograph of you holding your GPS at ........location" Photographic challenges can be set in a similar way if you set one in the right place.

    Obviously with an Earthcache you are hoping that the person will learn something about the area you send them to. Can the same not be said for the photographic challenges?

    Webcam caches quite often asked you to do or wear something different to prove that it was actually you, so I don't see much difference there either.

    As I said at the beginning, there will be a lot of silly challenges set at first, people will try to stretch boundaries, but come on, as with anything new, it will take time to settle down and be tweaked. You just have to look at Munzee to see that happening and how it is already developing.

    As with anything in life, isn't it better to suck it and see before making a decision.

    I myself like the old adage. "If you don't like it, don't do it" But please don't write it off just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacaru View Post
    Even Earthcaches ask for photographic evidence, how often do we see the line "to claim this cache email a photograph of you holding your GPS at ........location" Photographic challenges can be set in a similar way if you set one in the right place.

    Obviously with an Earthcache you are hoping that the person will learn something about the area you send them to. Can the same not be said for the photographic challenges?
    I take it that you haven't read the current Earthcache guidelines i.e.

    7. Requests for photographs must be optional. Exceptions to this guideline will only be considered if the requested photograph is related to an Earth Science logging activity such as recording a phenomenon. This particular guidelines was updated on 1 January 2011. All EarthCaches must conform to this guideline as photo requests are considered "additional logging requirements" (ALRs) and follow the guidelines set forth by Geocaching.com.
    Existing EarthCaches that do not meet this guideline must be updated to comply.
    Cache owners may not delete the cacher's log based solely on optional tasks.

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    Ok, so maybe I got that bit wrong, but that wasn't the main gist of what my post is about. It is about the negativity that is flying around about something new before people have given it a chance to work

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    I have to admit to being a bit put off by the new challenges. Mainly because so many 'rubbish' ones started to appear! Yes, there are some good ideas out there, but human nature being what it is we always remember the bad, not the good! So it has cast a negative cloud over challenges.
    One appeared yesterday at a public toilet.... thankfully it's been archived.

    The other change to the site yesterday, the change of date on cache logs and inclusion of the avatar didn't go down too well so that caused people to climb onto the angry step and have a bit of rant. With that mood around challenges were into a bit of a struggle to get going.

    Chris

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    If people try to put the last couple of days behind them and set some decent challenges then there is the hope that it will be received in more positively. This is the way that I am using the photo challenges.

    http://coord.info/CX69D

    As with anything else, if people use photoshop to say they have been somewhere and then logging it, then they are only fooling themselves.

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    C&P from the main forum where someone asked for positives


    No reviewer (sorry guys)
    No more trying to find out who owns what bit of land .. If it has legal public access put a challenge there.
    Peer review if you don't like it it gets a thumbs down if you don't think it is in the spirit of the 'game' flag it and of course the good ones gut lots of thumbs up
    Challenges don't have Rules/ GAGB guidelines only common sense/peer review
    It makes setters think about where they are taking us .. they have to sell it to us, you don't have to accept
    Urban challenges don't have the same 'terrorist' problems... you only need a pic with the flower box, but would you bother to go if was only a flower box.. again self policing... again raising standards
    As above but it would open up all the London parks again... no box no problem
    We had church micros.... now we have CMs where you search in 30 ft of ivy covered walls and can't even see the church Why not church challenges where the church is the reason not the micro
    The chance to take people to a great place without them destroying it to find the nano hidden in the ivy
    People keep saying its the location that matters so why do we need a box and a logbook to prove we've been there just a simple ,sometimes fun, picture and if people claim it so what it's them they are cheating not us
    We all complain about the standard of caches and the fact that if it meets guidelines it has to be published, so now we have the chance to 'review'... if a challenge gets enough thumbs down no one visits it simple.
    On here people are saying its not geocaching.. well let's be honest at the moment geocaching isn't geocaching any more unless you like searching in another hedge for another film pot. Challenges have the potential to take us back to where the location mattered not the box.
    No more soggy logs.. leaking boxes... slug filled carrier bags

    OK GS made a mess of their launch with the kiss a frog but I think it was meant as a fun introduction (remember fun) But it is cachers who are placing the stupid challenges now and if they had read a bit first they would have realised their error instead of trying to be clever and creating locationless challenges.
    Not having a go just using as an example.. Dr Solly's Amersham series is an example of challeges which will stand or fall by cachers thumbs up/thumbs down... if enough people like them then they will become a legend in their own lifetime if not I would hope that they would be archived by the setter.. again peer review

    There is potential there if WE use it and not just dismiss it because it is new.. don't complain about the 'stupid' challenges set good ones that return us to where the location mattered not the box
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    It would have been nice if they had introduced it as another style of cache, like the old virtuals, then it would have made more sense.
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    I think the idea has great potential, it is now up to users to make them good or bad. Even then it will be a bit like music some good some bad, some to your taste and some will grate but others may love them.

    Done one sent one live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk View Post
    I think the idea has great potential, it is now up to users to make them good or bad. Even then it will be a bit like music some good some bad, some to your taste and some will grate but others may love them.

    Done one sent one live.
    The main issue here is not whether some people are stupid enough to want to post pictures of themselves picking their nose; human behaviour is inherently mysterious. The fact remains: it has absolutely nothing to do with geocaching.

    Worse still, Groundspeak's determination to silence the outcry that Challenges immediately caused by deleting Feedback threads and Forum posts is an absolute disgrace. They want to take our money, but not listen to our voice? They'll get not a penny more from me.

    In the wake of the Wetherby bomb fiasco there was considerable public discussion along the lines what exactly is the point of the GAGB? Well now the GAGB has a chance to prove it has a point, by telling Groundspeak to dump Challenges and stick to real geocaching. If the GAGB doesn't have the self-respect to stand to up for real geocaching when Groundspeak displays such arrogant commercialism then it has no feasible function and would be as well giving up.

    Judging by the fact that the GAGB Facebook page also censored my post there criticising Challenges, I don't hold out much hope...

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    Like I said it has potential, lots of moaning about the loss of virtual caches a few years ago, they were not real caches either. Lots of people still liked them.

    You can use the challenges like a virtual cache. OK the idea may not have been well presented.

    I have no idea what your post said or who deleted it.

    I like most music though some of it in your opinion may me good or bad, it is still music (possibly with the exception of anything with bagpipes in.

    Waste my time arguing with GS about them a few days after they were introduced because a small number of members have stated they don't like them? Do you really want me to do that?

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    I think challenges have potential. It will take a while to settle down, but choosing the challenges you want/like will be the same as choosing the caches you want/like.

    It seems to me that most of the underlying concerns revolve around cache count numbers - so who cares?I've done x amount but so and so has done 2x amount does that really mean anything.

    I guess splitting the cache total and challenge total is a relatively easy fix which would sort out this " reading between the lines" issue, and negate the problem.

    Things evolve it's the way things are.

    In short get over it - dinosaurs ..........Tongue firmly in cheek before I get slated

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentmancuso View Post
    In the wake of the Wetherby bomb fiasco there was considerable public discussion along the lines what exactly is the point of the GAGB? Well now the GAGB has a chance to prove it has a point, by telling Groundspeak to dump Challenges and stick to real geocaching. If the GAGB doesn't have the self-respect to stand to up for real geocaching when Groundspeak displays such arrogant commercialism then it has no feasible function and would be as well giving up.

    Judging by the fact that the GAGB Facebook page also censored my post there criticising Challenges, I don't hold out much hope...
    As a member of the GAGB I don't want them to "tell Groundspeak to dump Challenges".

    There are plenty of cachers who are happy to try out this new idea of Challenges for a few weeks or months.

    I've already issued two Challenges and have a third one (based in Cornwall) ready to be issued soon.

    How arrogant to assume that because a minority of geocachers (and I say minority because we all know that only a minority partcipate in the forums) shout vociferously in their posts that their will should prevail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentmancuso View Post
    Judging by the fact that the GAGB Facebook page also censored my post there criticising Challenges, I don't hold out much hope...
    Having just looked through the posts on the GAGB facebook group I see this post by you

    "I created a Challenge too, but Groundspeak weren't very keen on that so they archived it, and are deleting all the Feedback threads pointing out that Challenges have absolutely nothing to do with geocaching. So no Premium Membership renewal from me."Thursday at 23:33

    Was there more than this?

    I ask because I have regularly experienced facebook "removing" posts and links I've made for no apparent reason. There were similar accusations levelled at the Mega Wales Committee that they had deleted/censored posts. I'm simply suggesting that what you see as censorship by the GAGB may be no more than a facebook instability issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Blorenge View Post
    ... I'm simply suggesting that what you see as censorship by the GAGB may be no more than a facebook instability issue.
    That's good, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Blorenge View Post
    There are plenty of cachers who are happy to try out this new idea of Challenges for a few weeks or months.
    Good for them. I have lots of other interests too, like watching Partick Thistle and reading books. But I don't pretend that they have anything to do with geocaching,so I don't want the number of times I do those things counted on a geoaching site. The same applies to Challenges. They may be worthwile activities in their own right, but they have nothing to do with geocaching. Zero. Zilch. Nada. If people want to take photos of themselves doing stupid things, why not stick to Facebook, that's what it's for.

    How arrogant to assume that because a minority of geocachers (and I say minority because we all know that only a minority partcipate in the forums) shout vociferously in their posts that their will should prevail!
    The assumption was more that people who actually care about caching would be annoyed at having something that was nothing to do with caching plastered all over their hobby. I suppose some people are happy to swallow whatever rubbish is put in front of them.

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