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    A local geocacher has posted a spoiler video to my new 5/5 cache on You Tube, I have asked him to remove it but he has basically said that he isn't going to. Is there anything that I can do about it. He is a Premium Member and has now posted several videos of local caches in the area.

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    No help, but what a pain.

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    It must be very annoying but I can't think of any way you can stop it.


    Is there any way you can 'tweak' the whole cache so that the Spoiler no longer works? ... Then say nothing about it so that those who try following the Spoiler get totally frustrated.

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    Unless the cacher has linked to the video from their log - which you can ask/demand to be removed - the chances are no one doing the cache will see it unless they do a search for the cache name via google or other 'engine. It's annoying but will only spoil the cache for someone who looks for ways to spoil it for themselves.

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    The terms of use of geocaching.com expressely forbid this.
    http://www.geocaching.com/about/termsofuse.aspx item 4. (m)

    Report them to Groundspeak, contact@geocaching.com

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    Much as I hate to disagree with Graculus , those ToU refer to what goes on on geocaching.com's own site.

    You and not Groundspeak, are entirely responsible for all content that you upload, post or otherwise transmit via the Site. You agree not to:

    (m) Publish, in any form of media, the solutions, hints, spoilers, or any hidden coordinates for any geocache without consent from the cache owner.


    I rather doubt that Groundspeak can control what someone chooses to post to a completely different site e.g. YouTube

    They can stop people putting Spoiler info and videos on their forums and I guess (technically) they could smack the wrists of people who send their mates spoiler hints via email through the website.
    I suppose they could say to someone, "Take that spoiler stuff off YouTube or we'll close your account..." but would they ever go that far?
    Last edited by Mrs Blorenge; 24th August 2011 at 10:32 AM. Reason: to change the to their

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    I don't know the specifics of this cache, but I quite like looking at differnet/difficult caches on you tube.

    In fact a few have given me some top ideas for caches - the like of which aren't in my area.

    I can understand the irritaion it causes but as stated above - does it really matter? Some will look to research the cache beforehand, spoiler photos, logs, even hints, what is the problem with the next step - you tube?

    Those who don't want to spoil it simply won't look (bit like challen........oops nearly )

    Just my tuppence worth.

    :cheers:

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    Now that you have brought the fact that there is a YouTube video, I have gone and searched for it. Assuming I am looking at the right one (uploaded yesterday), he states that he isn't going to show the container anyway, therefore I don't see it as a spoiler. You have already told people that the cache is in the bunker and uploaded old photos to the cache page so it is not like the location is going to be a surprise.

    Also, I have just looked at the cache page and the fact that you mention YouTube .... brings it to peoples attention (I can't see any mention of it in any logs)

    Maybe it is just me, but I can't see why this is a 5*T cache - a ladder is provided (although a steep/vertical one).

    I can't comment on the 5*D ..... but assume the cache is very well hidden that people are going to have to spend a considerable time in the bunker to be able to find it or something very clever about it that may require several visits. (one log mentions they spent 20mins searching)

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    "Maybe it is just me, but I can't see why this is a 5*T cache - a ladder is provided (although a steep/vertical one).

    I can't comment on the 5*D ..... but assume the cache is very well hidden that people are going to have to spend a considerable time in the bunker to be able to find it or something very clever about it that may require several visits. (one log mentions they spent 20mins searching)"


    Unless you have actually placed the cache, or visited it, I really don't see how you can comment on the terrain difficulty
    Last edited by Jacaru; 24th August 2011 at 07:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacaru View Post

    Unless you have actually placed the cache, or visited it, I really don't see how you can comment on the terrain difficulty
    Fair enough - just basing my judgement on the YouTube video.
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    Is this why you've made it a premium cache Jacaru? Fortunately I downloaded the cache details onto my Iphone prior to it being made a premium and hopefully I'll get it at some point this week, maybe even tonight if I can.
    I'd say report them to GS, they can't stop what goes onto other sites but they can stop them using the GS site.

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    Hi, yep, one of the reasons, don't worry though, if you go and do it let me know and I will unlock it for you to log before locking it again.:cheers:

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    Hi I have to admit that I too looked for your cache on YouTube and found it (I think), looks awesome by the way. I love this type of site. Having used vertical ladders I would agree that a T5 rating would be a fair rating.

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    [snipped]

    The cacher concerned has featured quite a few inventive caches from the local area, the overall feelings appear to be positive from both COs and finders.

    Some COs would be honoured to be featured, others clearly not.
    Last edited by Ve8; 25th August 2011 at 07:56 PM. Reason: Opps, had not spotted MrsB's post.

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    I have been asked to post the following:

    This post is from Sven, I am awaiting my registration being authorised by the mods at GAGB. In the meantime Ve8 is posting this on my behalf.

    The video in question is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxx_oqV0i9Q.

    I'm confused as to why the op is complaining, I received five emails from him complaining about the video which after I explained myself was finalised with this email:


    From: Daryl
    Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:19 PM
    To: Sven
    Subject: hi

    Hiya again,

    On second thoughts, sorry about the hassle I have been giving you. Just leave it [the video] up if you like.

    Cheers,

    Daryl
    The day after I received this I tried phoning the op on four occasions, he didn't answer so I assumed the 'problem' was resolved?

    Bottom line is I haven't videod his cache as per the request in the description at the time.....I'm confused as to what the problem is.

    I do not name his cache or indicate any GC code in the video. Anyone wanting to find his cache cannot find my video at all.....

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