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    Post Candidate Chair Discussions - Public Copy

    I have accepted my nomination in the election for GAGB Chairman.

    One of the key things I would like to improve, if elected, is transparency of our organisation. In this regard, I asked the other candidate if we could move the hustings into this section of the forum, since anyone joining GAGB now won't be eligible to vote this year. The other candidate does not share my view and did not agree to the move. I respect the other candidate's right to privacy and request that anyone adding to this thread does not mention them by name or moniker either, unless and until they choose to join this discussion themselves, which I would of course welcome.

    Transparency is so important to me that I feel it is necessary and appropriate to put what I say into practice from the outset. To that end, I am re-posting my election statement and my answers to questions that have been asked, from the members-only forum to this thread which is in public view. However, I will only re-post my replies if the questioners consent to me re-posting their questions too, so thanks to those who agree to this. (The order of postings might thus be different.)

    I hope this openness will be received well by our wider Geocaching community. I am willing to field questions from non-members of GAGB, on the understanding that my replies can also be posted here. As you cannot post your questions here, please send them by email to caching at sandvika.co.uk

    Thanks and rest regards, Roderick Parks (Sandvika)

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    Thumbs up Election Statement from Sandvika

    Who Ďownsí Geocaching? In my view, it is all of us, the geocachers who make up our Geocaching community. We all contribute our endeavours to our community, for the benefit of our fellow members. Itís all about give and take, with the capacity to bring out the best in us.

    Who represents our Geocaching community in the UK? GAGB. I donít believe there is any other contender! I feel disappointment that GAGB seems to fall short of being at the heart of Geocaching in the UK. It feels rather like a project that kicked off to meet a specific need, namely landowner consent, but has not yet developed to anywhere close to its full potential. This is not a criticism of anyone or anything: GAGB is just not there yet.

    When I stood for election to the committee in 2008, it was through sincere desire to help take GAGB to the next level (http://gagb.co.uk/forums/showpost.ph...7&postcount=85). Unfortunately, my aspirations barely started to be fulfilled when I lost my job and by mid-2009 I was dealing with the corrosive effects of unemployment on my nearest and dearest. Out of necessity I stopped caching and ceased to be an active member of the committee. With no improvement in my circumstances, I did not stand for re-election in 2009.

    Iíve now been back in work for several years and my situation has normalised. I know Iím ready to give this a proper go now. Although GAGB has improved significantly, and ďSeekerĒ magazine is an outstanding production to be proud of, my feeling is that our still-young Geocaching community has grown rapidly over the past four years whereas GAGB has not matched the pace and has lost ground. I believe GAGB stands at a juncture where either it can reinvent itself and seize the opportunity to become the focal point of our Geocaching community in UK, or else it will become marginalised and irrelevant to an increasing majority of our community.

    I sincerely wish for GAGB to reinvent itself and become the pre-eminent Geocaching organisation in the UK.
    With this ambition for GAGB, when presented by Tony with his nomination for me to be Chairman, I realised I had to accept, because it offers me the chance to help make the crucial difference. I donít have the capacity to do this alone, so I invite you all please to vote for me on the understanding that we will chart a new course together and that all of you will have a role to play in helping to achieve new goals.

    If elected, Iíll need a committee that also seeks this pre-eminence for GAGB and is determined to achieve it. I am sure many of you have a great deal to offer, your enthusiasm, skills and commitment to GAGB will be what drives our reinvention. Donít hesitate to be nominated for the committee! If we have a surplus of candidates and not all can be elected, I will ensure you have opportunities for active participation in other ways.

    More about me: I have been caching for 5 years and recently found my 2000th cache: I definitely prefer quality over quantity. I embrace almost the full spectrum of listing sites: OpenCaching.org.uk, TerraCaching, Navicaching, Munzees and even Garminís OpenCaching.com, to augment the ubiquitous Groundspeak. To my chagrin, I canít yet claim a find on GPSgames.org! Iím a father of four children aged 12 to 21 and an active non-partisan parish councillor. Iím chairman of the Planning Committee and am dealing with the prospect of 2200 new houses being built on my watch, negotiating with developers and planning officers. Iíve worked in computer software for 28 years, supporting sales for the last 15 years.

    Many thanks for your attention and support.
    Roderick Parks (sandvika) caching@sandvika.co.uk http://caching.sandvika.com/

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    Thumbs up Questions from Mongoose39uk (part 1)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    I Note from the CVís that the ďpro active committee of the last year moved things forward. We got a newsletter which while good is limited, a facebook page which is doing well and a twitter account which is barely used. I have to say though that looking back the amounts of useful information in the facebook page appear to have dramatically increased in the last few weeks.
    At the risk of provoking Tony, who usually likes brief answers, I'm going to answer in detail, since this is what hustings are about.

    Seeker is an enjoyable read but its depth and breadth is limited by the present scope of GAGB. As GAGB spreads its wings, Seeker should extend its scope and should be the means by which all members are kept informed of developments. It should be the back stop that ensures those who don't consume GAGB news from other sources still have access to it in a reasonably timely manner. However, the absence of a feedback loop is a problem. Maybe SurveyMonkey can be used to solicit feedback from each edition?

    Regrettably, there's a seismic shift away from Forums and onto the poor substitute of Facebook Groups and Facebook Pages. This affects not only GAGB, but also regional caching forums and many forums beyond Geocaching. This is due to the convenience factor of Facebook - the loss of functionality, history, self-regulation and traffic from the respective web sites is regrettable. Facebook is doing to forums what the major supermarkets did to butchers, bakers, grocers, greengrocers and convenience stores. Not everyone wants Facebook, but languishing forums provide no reason for non-Facebookers to stay.

    The lure of Facebook can't be avoided (at present) but can be mitigated through intelligent use of social media to draw members back into the fold for matters that concern them. The immediacy of Twitter and Facebook is compelling and needs to be harnessed in the right way: GAGB needs (semi-)automated tools to facilitate this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    So that leaves me with the four main areas in which I would like clarification. The constitution which was reviewed put out for suggestions yet is still not out for a vote. How do you propose to move that forward?
    I responded to the consultation and suggested the proposed changes be dropped. In my opinion, those changes are regressive as they make GAGB less accessible and less accountable at a time where these are perceived to be its problems by some sections of our Geocaching community. Changes to the constitution have to support GAGB's future direction, not entrench the status quo.

    I think membership must be an affirmative action through annual renewal. In the future, once GAGB membership is perceived as having intrinsic value by a much greater proportion of our Geocaching community, we should consider a membership fee, even if only nominal. This is because paid membership increases the credibility and standing of organisations and thereby enables much more effective lobbying. GAGB needs to be prepared and effective in this regard to counter any threats that might arise - like blanket bans on public land in certain areas.

    The current constitution was the most significant achievement during my year on the committee and was a great improvement on the previous one. Some of my suggestions did not receive enough support to make it into the constitution, but as a team player I stuck with it and advocated its adoption.

    Tony has touched on one of my pet peeves with the present constitution so I'll address that on the pertinent question. In general, my view is that the constitution should be slimmed down, where possible, with principles remaining in the constitution, but policy being returned to the committee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    The ďguidelines,Ē which were reviewed put out for suggestions yet is still not out for a vote. How do you propose to move those forward?
    I would like to see the the guidleines slimmed down: they are a means to an end: to support our requests for caching permission by demonstrating responsible behaviour.

    If listing sites wish to wrap themselves and their subscribers in cotton wool, bubble wrap and miles of red tape then that's their perogative, though GAGB should advocate the removal of much of that too. However, GAGB should not adopt any such excesses as its own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    The GLAD (landowner database) has been out of date for a considerable period of time. This has been commented on by members, none members and reviewers. Groundspeak reviewers appear to be updating this and moving it to the groundspeak servers. What are your thoughts on this? As it is and should be a resource for cachers on all listing sites how do you propose that this is updated and kept up to date.
    Given that consent for caching is the original reason for GAGB's existence, the deterioration of GLAD is lamentable. I would advocate that a team of members be constituted to bring all agreements up to date, and that processes be put in place to ensure they are reviewed and maintained in a timely manner in future. Each agreement needs a champion, particularly where the originator of the agreement is no longer active in GAGB. I think it is contrary to the interests of our Geocaching community to have caching consent agreements associated with any specific listing site, though I can understand that Groundspeak reviewers might have felt compelled to act, in the absence of action from GAGB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    The website, is it now around 15 months since we were told that this would be overhauled? What progress has been made? How do you propose to move this forward?
    I can't comment on this specifically, though it has echoes of 2008/9 when the move to WordPress was glacially slow. The promise of WordPress was easy maintenance of dynamic content, so should have allowed the front page of GAGB to become more news-focused and for the sub-pages to be dynamic and updated regularly. The GAGB web site appears pretty static, so it is clear that the reality has fallen short of expectations. For GAGB to become the vibrant hub of our UK Geocaching community, the web site must be current, relevant and an invaluable source of news and information. This is an ongoing process, not a one-off task, so it requires a team of contributors and editors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    On other issues.

    There have been recent interactions with external organisations such as ACPO, some of which it appears were done without the full consent of the organisation and without contact with cache listing sites other than groundspeak. Would you continue with this method of interaction? If not, why not? How would you move forward if not?
    Without open transparency within the committee and with the members and non-members alike, GAGB sets itself up to be maligned, whatever the rights and wrongs of a particular situation. I think the ACPO / Olympics saga was deeply regrettable and I think what happened was wrong and a golden opportunity to get Groundspeak to change its stance was lost.

    There will be rare cases where discretion and confidentiality are required, but this should not exclude committee members or proper decision making processes. The confidentially should be ended upon conclusion of any such matter and the membership be informed of what has occurred in their name.

    In the normal course of events, confidentiality is not needed and GAGB, in seeking to be the pre-eminent body in our Geocaching community, should engage all stakeholders in an active dialogue at every appropriate stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    It appears that many decisions made by the committee are mad via email, often without any formal vote. Would you continue with this method, if not why not? How would you ensure that future committees have full access to the decisions made by their predecessors?
    I don't think email is acceptable, except for emergency cases, which should then be published in and transferred to the forum. Routine communication should be through the appropriate sections of the forums, where formal votes will take place and the historical record be passed on in purpetuity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    Minutes: the last set of minutes from the committee meeting, was published nearer in full that in the past. Would you continue this?
    Minutes must be an accurate record of what occurred at the meeting and must cover every decision that is taken. Meetings should review decisions taken between meetings and also record these in the minutes.

    Minutes should be available to all members in the forum.

    Furthermore, with the exception of confidential items, there is no reason why the committee should not use an online conferencing tool like GoToMeeting, which is able to record the meeting. The unedited recording should be available to members in the forum.

    I don't think that minutes and recordings should be shared beyond the GAGB membership.


    (Part 2 follows)

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    Thumbs up Questions from Mongoose39UK (part 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    Would you do your utmost to ensure that the members are full informed of discussions? How would you do this?
    As outlined above, in the discussion on communications, a combination of Twitter, Facebook, Web Site, Forum and Seeker is required to provide comprehensive coverage of all discussions, news and events. GAGB will draw new members in most effectively by maximising it s outward reach and this is central to my proposal to reinvent GAGB.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    Would you do your utmost to seek the views of both the members and none members? How would you seek to do this?
    In my time on the committee in 2009 I acted as outreach to the regional forums and listing sites. I think this is essential for growing GAGB, so local champions are required for each forum, listing site and Facebook group, to act as liaison and a conduit for news in both directions. In an ideal world, the Facebook groups and regional forums would see themselves as local branches of GAGB, not as autonomous entities. Thus, shift towards this way of thinking would represent remarkable progress. This is the grass-roots level engagement that GAGB needs to achieve and grow mind share across our Geocaching community.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    The present way of electing the post of Chairman/person/woman (delete as per your preference) . Is prior to the election of the committee. Would you seek to continue with this, if so why? If not why not? What is your proposal for change?
    The present system of electing the Chairman first is almost presidential in style and puts the Chairman in an unreasonably strong position not only to influence the membership directly, but also to influence the composition of the committee that gets elected later. I think this is wrong and that the Chairman should be elected from the new committee . The committee should have the power to remove the Chairman and replace them, it necessary. This requires a change to the constitution.

    If elected as Chairman, I will strive to have an amended constitution in place for the 2013 election.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    If you were to become the Chairman/person/woman (delete as per your preference) how would you encourage/manage your committee? Would you be prepared to challenge lack of action?
    If elected, I know I will have to delegate pretty much all activities to committee members and working groups led by committee members. I will ensure that I have a good working knowledge of all the activities taking place in the various groups to ensure that aims and objectives are achieved. If there is lack of action, I will give the particular area extra focus to help get it moving again, or, if this is not practical, defer or ditch the activity in question.

    I believe that this active approach to reinventing GAGB will energise and motivate the committee members to give their best and to admit when they struggle. We're all in this together and nobody should be suffering alone in silence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    Would you encourage none committee members to become active and offer them the ability to undertake tasks on behalf of the committee?
    You bet I would! The hallmark of a successful, vibrant organisation is widespread participation by its members. I'd like everyone who fails to be elected this year to participate in working groups, and extend active involvement to our regular members.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    How will you seek the opinions of UK cachers?
    Soliciting feedback through the various online channels and groups outlined above is key to finding out what cachers need and want. I will commit to responding to all correspondence sent to me as Chairman of GAGB, which may entail involving other committee members, or tabling the matter for discussion at the next committee meeting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    Would you be prepared to challenge guidelines on behalf of UK cachers?
    Yes! As detailed above on the 'guidelines' question, GAGB should advocate the removable of guidelines that are detrimental to the interests of UK Geocachers. I also alluded to this in my election statement. I believe that Geocaching belongs to our UK geocaching community. It's still our young hobby and we should resist anything that reduces its scope.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk
    How do you propose to get interest from all listing sites?

    For starters
    I think I have a bit of a head start here, since I know the owners of TerraCaching and OpenCaching.org.uk and have met all 3 co-founders of Groundspeak. I'm aware that Navicache has recently changed hands and I know who the new owners are. I don't have contacts at Garmin or Munzee but that shouldn't be too difficult to resolve.

    TerraCaching, OpenCaching.org.uk and Navicache are all owned and run by enthusiasic geocachers, so I know they will be interested in engaging with me. Munzee is also owned and run by technophiles, so Groundspeak and Garmin are really the only commercial ventures.

    If we go to these sites with proposals to enhance the game, I believe we will garner their interest.

    Many thanks, Roderick

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    Default Question from markandlynn

    Quote Originally Posted by markandlynn
    Would you make the GAGB listing site agnostic and if yes what steps would you put in place to achieve this.
    Absolutely, yes. To many, Geocaching is geocaching.com because it has not occurred to them otherwise. To some, this perspective might even preclude GAGB from their thoughts. That's what we're up against. It's rather like the all inclusive package holiday versus create your own. The latter takes more effort but is usually more rewarding. Let's make GAGB so rewarding that everyone wants to join!

    I'm probably more curious than average so knew about other listing sites soon after starting our hobby and found my first Navicache 5 weeks after my very first Groundspeak cache! I've never looked back and can say in total honesty that many of the most outstanding caches I have found have not been listed on Groundspeak.

    How many know what "GPSstash" is (before googling it), let alone that this part of our heritage is still going, if not strongly, at least going!? Probably rather fewer than know where the last remaining APE cache is, I suspect. These are all part of the rich tapestry that is our global Geocaching community.

    If elected, I intend to nominate other members to the committee whom I feel can add depth and breadth of experience to it. A good working knowledge of the way in which other listing sites function is a key criterion, in order that GAGB can engage with them most effectively. I also feel GAGB can learn from geocachers who are also members of the British Canoe Union or British Mountaineering Council: sports that face similar access and consent issues to Geocaching, but are better established.

    I'll reach out to other cachers who frequent the other listing sites but are not yet GAGB members, to help improve representation and thereby equality.

    I think removing any perception of bias from the GAGB website is important. For example, on the links page, it could read:

    Geocaching Sites
    Geocaching.com, run by Groundspeak inc.
    GPSgames.org, run by Scout.
    Navicache.com, run by Gizzle007 and TheMadCacher.
    OpenCaching.com, run by Garmin inc.
    OpenCaching.org.uk, run by Lord Darcy.
    TerraCaching.com, run by Cash108.

    Other Geolocation Games
    Munzee.com, run by Munzee inc.
    ...

    I think there is also a case for cross-listing events organised by GAGB.

    Lastly, some food for thought: Why doesn't GAGB have an annual large-scale event? Let's have our first in 2013!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clipper247
    Quote Originally Posted by sandvika
    If elected, I intend to nominate other members to the committee whom I feel can add depth and breadth of experience to it. A good working knowledge of the way in which other listing sites function is a key criterion, in order that GAGB can engage with them most effectively. I also feel GAGB can learn from geocachers who are also members of the British Canoe Union or British Mountaineering Council: sports that face similar access and consent issues to Geocaching, but are better established.
    I might have misread this, but does this mean you would only support other members who cache on other sites, or who also partake in other sports (canoeing, mountaineering etc)?
    Thanks for seeking clarification. I think you have misunderstood.

    Clearly, the committee elections are entirely separate and just like any other member I would only nominate people I believe could make a positive impact on our organisation. Then I'll cast my votes like any other member, for the candidates I prefer. I should also refer you back to my reply to an earlier question from Tony. I don't think it is helpful to elect a chairman first, then the committee later, because it leads to a 'presidential' style appointment. It is better that the chairman be chosen from the committee by the committee members. Maybe if that were the case now, your question would not have arisen?

    What I was suggesting in my original answer (to the question about other listing sites) through just 2 examples is that there is a variety of attributes that would be useful to have on the committee: rather more in fact than there are committee places places available, so ideal candidates (in my view) would each have several such attributes, to enrich the skills and experience of the committee as a whole. Thus, my nominations would be made in this context: ie. I will be thinking of skills, which I hope will mean making good nominations for the right reasons.

    My second answer (to the question about cachers in Scotland) expanded on this theme by adding country representation to the mix of desirable attributes. I'd welcome further discussion of the desirable attributes because it should help identify areas where GAGB may have opportunity to improve. Your perceptions are just as valid as mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keehotee
    But I believe the position is Chair of the GAGB, and not Chair of the Committee - so shouldn't the entire membership vote, rather than just the committee?
    I think the differentiation you make is largely semantic. For very many organisations, the chair is elected by the committee or board, then chair of the committee and chair of the organisation are one and the same. In order to become chair it is necessary to be elected as a committee member by the membership. If the membership don't want the previous chair to be re-appointed, they don't vote for them in the committee elections.

    I addressed the point in my reply to Tony's questions, but will re-iterate.

    A directly elected chair can not be removed by the committee - I think that reduces accountability. The committee should have the ability to remove the chair and appoint a new one if necessary, so it follows that the initial appointment should be via the committee too.

    In several of the years that I have been a member of GAGB there has not been an election for chair as there has only been one candidate. Thus, it has been easier to become chair than a committee member!

    Under the current constitution, once elected, the chair has the opportunity to influence the committee election. I think it would be better if this opportunity did not exist.

    I think this relatively modest change would improve accountability and be disarming to GAGB's critics.

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    In several of the years that I have been a member of GAGB there has not been an election for chair as there has only been one candidate. Thus, it has been easier to become chair than a committee member!


    Incorrect - there were two nominations last year and Dave - The Wombles - was elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyjak View Post
    In several of the years that I have been a member of GAGB there has not been an election for chair as there has only been one candidate. Thus, it has been easier to become chair than a committee member!


    Incorrect - there were two nominations last year and Dave - The Wombles - was elected.

    As that appears, from your correction, there has only been 1 instance of a vote being required Roderick is still correct to say that in several of the years, not all the years, there has been no election held.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isobeld View Post
    As that appears, from your correction, there has only been 1 instance of a vote being required Roderick is still correct to say that in several of the years, not all the years, there has been no election held.

    Thank you isobeld - I would like to apologise for my error - please put it down to fatigue as we have only just got in after travelling 220 miles towing a caravan after attending the Hallowe'en mega event. I was attempting to catch up on posts when I obviously misunderstood the comment.

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    No problem - hope you enjoyed the mega!!

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    As there have been no donations for some months now, how will you go about trying to encourage members to start donating again?

    Has been posted in the other thread as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandvika View Post
    .... snip

    One of the key things I would like to improve, if elected, is transparency of our organisation. In this regard, I asked the other candidate if we could move the hustings into this section of the forum, since anyone joining GAGB now won't be eligible to vote this year. The other candidate does not share my view and did not agree to the move. I respect the other candidate's right to privacy and request that anyone adding to this thread does not mention them by name or moniker either, unless and until they choose to join this discussion themselves, which I would of course welcome.
    .... snip
    I do not have an issue with any member of the public knowing that I am one of the two candidates in the GAGB Chairman elections this year. My full name and caching name are available in several public areas related to geocaching e.g. GAGB Seeker magazine for the last two years, the GAGB Facebook group since it was created and a few other facebook groups.

    My response when Sandvika proposed that the discussions were made in the public, non-member section of the GAGB forum was:

    As it will be the 'members' casting the votes, I don't see why it needs moving to the 'public' area. We don't have 'forum only' users anymore - just members or public.


    Anyone that joined after the cut off date is still able to read the statements in the memberís area, just not able to cast a vote. But I really donít see the benefit of duplicating it in the public domain and actually feel that isnít helping our membership grow.
    GAGB member since 2005
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    Do the GAGB purport to represent all Geocachers? If so why shouldn't they be able to see the discussion even if they can't vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maple Leaf View Post
    I do not have an issue with any member of the public knowing that I am one of the two candidates in the GAGB Chairman elections this year. My full name and caching name are available in several public areas related to geocaching e.g. GAGB Seeker magazine for the last two years, the GAGB Facebook group since it was created and a few other facebook groups.

    My response when Sandvika proposed that the discussions were made in the public, non-member section of the GAGB forum was:

    As it will be the 'members' casting the votes, I don't see why it needs moving to the 'public' area. We don't have 'forum only' users anymore - just members or public.


    Anyone that joined after the cut off date is still able to read the statements in the memberís area, just not able to cast a vote. But I really donít see the benefit of duplicating it in the public domain and actually feel that isnít helping our membership grow.
    Thanks Maple Leaf for making it easier to share the discussion with non-members.

    My question, to which Maple Leaf replied as she quoted above, was:

    "As the "hustings" are evidently starting, I propose that we have the discussions in the public, non-member section of the GAGB forum.

    Whether you or I win, the change is the golden opportunity to make GAGB transparent and rid it of accusations of secrecy and cosy relationships. Do you agree?"


    I think our membership is unlikely to grow, indeed is likely to decline, as long as there are perceptions and accusations of secrecy and cosy relationships.

    I didn't consider the matter of transparency to be one that was likely to differentiate me from Maple Leadf, but it appears that it might be a significant difference, so let's discuss it.

    With nobby.nobbs (former chairman) resigning from GAGB and Mongoose39UK resigning from the committee in recent months, it is evident that there is a significant level of frustration from people who hold, or have held, GAGB in high regard for a long time. This is probably only the visible top of the iceberg, and frankly, it was my call to action that made me consider standing for the committee this year.

    I think that it is incumbent on the new committee to release these tensions and "re-invent" GAGB on a transparent, more relevant, inclusive and energised basis. Transparency is key to this because it is essential to build trust. If the committee is not working effectively because of hidden tensions, why should members have confidence in it - and to answer DrDick&Vick's question with a question - why should they donate to GAGB whilst it remains in this condition or is perceived to be so? Transparency will make it clear to our members what is working and what is not and be a force for good to focus on what is not working and fix it, celebrate what is good and enhance it.

    I hope candidates for the committee will embrace transparency as I have and all members work together to build a strong, vibrant and valued association that many more Geocachers will want to be involved with. This way, we can create a thriving community - and to answer DrDick&Vick's question in the positive way - this is when donations will be flowing freely and we might have an embarrassment of riches with which to do great things that are inconceivable today!

    So, in closing, back to Maple Leaf's comment
    Quote Originally Posted by Maple Leaf View Post
    But I really donít see the benefit of duplicating it in the public domain and actually feel that isnít helping our membership grow
    - I couldn't disagree more! A healthy debate about doing what's right, in public, is precisely what will encourage Geocachers to put their trust in us and feel they want to contribute, and join us.

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