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    Do you think the time has come where the GAGB needs to charge a small membership fee to pay a part time employee (on fixed term contract) to maintain the website and keep GLAD up to date?

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    I think that might not be a bad idea.

    That's all I'm going to say on the subject for now.

    I've been pondering all of the sub-threads in this thread this morning and have a bunch of thoughts and ideas in my head but there's a fair amount of crossover between the different threads - so I'm going to have to read through again and try to place my responses in the most relevant of each of the sub-threads.

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    No I don't believe that the time has come for that yet and charging a small. this is because charging a small fee may discourage new members from joining and increasing our already diverse membership. Also it may make some of our existing members shy away from using our site which nobody wants. So in the long run may cause division across the British geocaching community.

    I believe it can be handled by by the committee members and should be kept as such for the forseeable future

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    I don't think people would be willing to pay for membership of GAGB and nor have we fully used other means to generate funds for example through advertising (although this brings it's own risks with perceived "endorsement").

    Whether GAGB needs an employee depends on how much time people are willing to put into GAGB. In recent years this has been a very small group of people, there are usually some committee members who start enthusiastically and but don't deliver for many reasons, however there are a small (very small) set of members who commit time for example Dizzypair and Parmstro who manage specific agreements for us.

    I think we need to explore ways to generate income to enable some work to be done in case we cant get enough time committed elsewhere.

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    You could never pay anyone enough to revise the database, or build a website. But you will always be relying on goodwill, not least because you can't coerce volunteers. As far as I can see, at least two candidates (Microdot and Zomblou) have expressed an interest in revising the database, and, if both are elected, they can take half each.
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    But on the subject of a subscription, the answer is simple. People will only pay for something want. So, the first is to make membership of GAGB something that people want. We can start by answering the question: why join?
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    Quote Originally Posted by countrymatters View Post
    You could never pay anyone enough to revise the database, or build a website. But you will always be relying on goodwill, not least because you can't coerce volunteers. As far as I can see, at least two candidates (Microdot and Zomblou) have expressed an interest in revising the database, and, if both are elected, they can take half each.
    If elected I've offered to look at the Forum side of the site and update it

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    Quote Originally Posted by countrymatters View Post
    But on the subject of a subscription, the answer is simple. People will only pay for something want. So, the first is to make membership of GAGB something that people want. We can start by answering the question: why join?
    Couldn't have put it better myself :socool:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose39uk View Post
    Do you think the time has come where the GAGB needs to charge a small membership fee to pay a part time employee (on fixed term contract) to maintain the website and keep GLAD up to date?
    At the moment no I don't think this is a good idea - particularly when you do not have to pay Groundspeak unless you become a Premium member.

    I do think this is a huge committment and undertaking but hopefully with the new Committee being formed the skills will be there. I would hope, that even if not elected, the nominees would still offer their skills wherever and whenever needed.

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    I think the time to charge for membership will be when there is so much intrinsic value in being a GAGB member that everyone wants to join and is therefore prepared to pay. It's up to us to make membership sufficiently relevant to achieve it. Right now would be premature and probably counter-productive.

    Website and land owner database both need considerable effort, but in the absence of resources to pay for this, we need to pull together to update them.

    The website is too big a project for one person and will be an ongoing project if it is to be current and relevant. Thus, there should be a sub-committee for the web site, with appropriate division of labour. Our members with relevant skills and available time should be recruited to the sub-committee, headed by a main committee member.

    The land owner database does not require a sub-committee but does need original agreement owners to take ownership of and review their consent agreements. If the agreement owner is no longer available, then a local champion should be sought to take over ownership and review responsibilities. A committee member should coordinate the reviews to ensure that the database as a whole is brought up to date and is then maintained on an ongoing basis so that it becomes the single definitive source, rendering the other two redundant.

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    I must be missing something here

    The committee consists of, 8 members?

    And you feel the need to divide that into sub-committees but have a member of the main committee oversee the work?

    Sounds awfully complex for such a small group of people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Microdot View Post
    I must be missing something here

    The committee consists of, 8 members?

    And you feel the need to divide that into sub-committees but have a member of the main committee oversee the work?

    Sounds awfully complex for such a small group of people
    No, it means we engage our members to help with these projects so that many hands make light work of it. For each area, a committee member takes overall ownership and reports back at committee meetings.

    The benefits are much greater scale of achievement - leading to our members being more satisfied and GAGB progressing at a pace appropriate for a young organisation concerning a young hobby. GAGB needs to be more agile than the rest of our Geocaching community, to take the lead and become more relevant.

    I think GAGB has been held back precisely because our committee have been trying to do things without help - hence progress has been slow and not particularly visible in the cases of our web site and our land owner database.

    At a practical level, it probably makes sense for each committee member who has overall ownership of their area to have a second member assisting, who can also cover for them in the event of their absence from a main committee meeting.

    I don't think this is complex - it is pragmatic, enabling us to do more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandvika View Post
    No, it means we engage our members to help with these projects so that many hands make light work of it. For each area, a committee member takes overall ownership and reports back at committee meetings.

    The benefits are much greater scale of achievement - leading to our members being more satisfied and GAGB progressing at a pace appropriate for a young organisation concerning a young hobby. GAGB needs to be more agile than the rest of our Geocaching community, to take the lead and become more relevant.

    I think GAGB has been held back precisely because our committee have been trying to do things without help - hence progress has been slow and not particularly visible in the cases of our web site and our land owner database.

    At a practical level, it probably makes sense for each committee member who has overall ownership of their area to have a second member assisting, who can also cover for them in the event of their absence from a main committee meeting.

    I don't think this is complex - it is pragmatic, enabling us to do more.
    Ah - it makes more sense when you explain it like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandvika View Post
    No, it means we engage our members to help with these projects so that many hands make light work of it. For each area, a committee member takes overall ownership and reports back at committee meetings.

    The benefits are much greater scale of achievement - leading to our members being more satisfied and GAGB progressing at a pace appropriate for a young organisation concerning a young hobby. GAGB needs to be more agile than the rest of our Geocaching community, to take the lead and become more relevant.

    I think GAGB has been held back precisely because our committee have been trying to do things without help - hence progress has been slow and not particularly visible in the cases of our web site and our land owner database.

    At a practical level, it probably makes sense for each committee member who has overall ownership of their area to have a second member assisting, who can also cover for them in the event of their absence from a main committee meeting.

    I don't think this is complex - it is pragmatic, enabling us to do more.
    Ah
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    Ask Jen or Lillian how hard it is to get anyone to help ! We were hard pushed to get a cup of tea at the mega and Lill ran the registration and promoted GAGB as hard as she could at Pirate Mania ! - I tried to sell the cache labels to raise cash with limited success - Although with the plethora of people standing for election this year maybe the non elected ones could "shadow" a committee member
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    I would agree with Rod, the job of the committee isn't too do all the jobs themselves, but to find those within the GAGB membership with the right skill set and are willing to help.

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