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    Question Enthusiasm!?

    We've had 4 full days of hustings, but only a handful of us have got properly stuck into the debate with postings in double digits.

    I don't think I agree with anyone on everything - undoubtedly a good thing - but on the basis of our debate to date, I feel it would be a travesty if Geocaching Womble, Mollyjak and Team Microdot were not elected, because they have shown great commitment and enthusiasm. I'd obviously include myself too!

    In addition, I can see daddyanddude and keehotee taking a progressive line if elected to our committee.

    I'm struggling a little with The Wombles - clearly by far the most experienced hand, and providing appropriate replies - but seemingly lacking the fire, motivation and enthusiasm to make GAGB progressive. So, directly to The Wombles: Are you presenting yourself as a 'safe pair of hands', or do you feel GAGB is behind the times and needs to shift into higher gears to get ahead? If the latter, what would you do to achieve this?

    I'm struggling a lot more with *geocass* and Countrymatters. *geocass* has barely turned up for our hustings (though there's still time to do so) and stated the fairly obvious that she would be webmaster, and Countrymatters appears rather one-dimensional and pre-occupied only with Seeker. So, directly to both of you: have you just turned up to stake your claims to your current roles, or are you brimming with enthusiasm to get stuck in and drive GAGB forward? If the latter, what would you do to achieve this?

    I am a little disappointed with Bobo Frett and JackieC: I liked your sole contributions, but I'm really doubting your commitment.

    I'm disappointed that Walker Clan and Zomblou are admittedly not relishing these hustings and am wondering what their expectations are? If you're not enthused to put your ideas across now, then are you really committed to doing so for the year ahead?

    I'm utterly convinced that Northking isn't really interested: his election statement was late and no show to our hustings, together with practically no engagement with GAGB since joining 2 years ago. I'm sure the people who nominated Northking know someone who is usually must more enthusiastic, otherwise they'd not have proposed him....If he's the same Northking who is very prolific in Munzee then it's a shame. I think Munzee needs special attention as they are outside the fold and don't consider their game to be related to Geocaching. In my view, this is likely to become a problem and an instantly recognisable insider would be more credible than anyone else in tackling this.

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    I had similar thoughts as well....

    What has surprised me are the number of suggestions and comments for change. Where were they 9 months ago when the constitution and role of the GAGB was being discussed?

    TBH, people are going to vote one of three ways: 1) for their mate, regardless of policy, 2) for last years committee ( see above), or 3) as a novelty, for someone whose comments here have impressed them. This isn't unique to these elections....it's human nature.
    I'm also a little surprised (not) and disappointed at how many of this years committee - after spending the year telling us there wasn't anything wrong with the GAGB - are only now at election time asking the membership what they would like to see done differently and how things could be improved.

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    Maybe I do seem to be one-dimensional. But Seeker was my original idea, and it's how I can most effectively contribute. I don't profess to abilities I don't have, and can only hope that those who are asking the questions now can cut the mustard when it comes to it. We'll see. In my experience, those who talk the most usually have the least to contribute, especially those who like the sound of their own opinion.

    Apart from anything else, I've spent the last four days ill in bed, and what I have posted, I've done from there. Now, I'm leaving the country, and won't be back until after the election.

    For the avoidance of doubt, I have at least another six months work to do on a PhD thesis before I am fully available. So, if that renders me useless, so be it. I'm happy to let the members decide how useful my one dimension is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandvika View Post
    I'm disappointed that Walker Clan and Zomblou are admittedly not relishing these hustings and am wondering what their expectations are? If you're not enthused to put your ideas across now, then are you really committed to doing so for the year ahead?
    I really don't see what gives you the right to decide on my level of enthusiasm. I am as enthusiastic as ever and in my reply to LFC4eva I was pointing out that it isn't possible to judge whether people are committed, enthusiastic or in fact able to get things done by the answers they give to questions. You've proved my point entirely. I have in fact replied to several of the questions but only where I felt I could make a practical suggestion. I'm prepared to let the members decide who to vote for and I'm sure that they won't be fooled by your ploy to influence them.

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    Ah, don't you love the smell of "mug slinging" in the morning - wondered when it would start - not disappointed, and glad am well out of it ! let's forget the issues and get stuck in to the insults - Terry has done a magnificent job on Seeker, and also is a great envoy in the highlands and islands - Cass has done a terrific job on the computers and both have contributed a great deal to the GAGB generally - if any of the new prospective committee members can do as good a job then good oh ! I know that the current committee is out of favour but just because some of us are grumpy old dinosaurs PLEASE don't forget that the members standing for re-election have done vast amounts of work to try and help cachers generally and a lot of the "high profile" issues are, in the main, hot air generated by persons with axes to grind so let's not get carried away and throw the babies out with the bath water !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandvika View Post
    I don't think I agree with anyone on everything - undoubtedly a good thing - but on the basis of our debate to date, I feel it would be a travesty if Geocaching Womble, Mollyjak and Team Microdot were not elected, because they have shown great commitment and enthusiasm. I'd obviously include myself too!
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    Thank you for the vote of confidence although I have to be honest - my enthusiasm is rapidly waning.

    I posted on a new friend's wall last night and stated something I had been doing that evening ( phoning an irate farmer which has been satisfactorily sorted today and I have emails to prove should anyone want to see it). I was then asked by Tony Pinnington
    "I still cant see why this was posted in public" and "is it just self promotion?"
    I made a mistake and perhaps I should have sent it as a Private message and to Tony I apologise and also to the new Facebook friend ;-)
    I then deleted the full post after stating what I was going to do.

    If I want to self promote I could post in the 20ish Facebook groups I belong to asking for votes - but I won't.
    I could post on my own wall asking for votes - but I won't.

    This is the wrong place to post and sorry sandvika, but I am still so annoyed and upset by comments made by someone who knows me - I just wonder what is the point?????

    I am not after any sympathy comments and my enthusiam will be back tomorrow and I will continue to do what I can when I can for Geocaching whether as part of the GAGB Committee or as a GAGB member.

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    Having just read this thread I have to admit that I am glad that I declined my nomination.
    I spent 30months or so on the committee and am sitting here wondering where all these members/cachers were when we were looking for assistance during that period, so many ideas and plans for the future.
    Since Seeker was started we asked for contributions but apart from two or three articles issues were filled with contributions from committee members.
    Plenty of 'Why don't you do this?' Why wasn't this done?' never any good words though.
    Whoever is elected I wish you well and hope that all of this enthusiasm is not destroyed by the complacency of the membership.

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    I agree with you and Lill, Richard - I am glad Lill is standing as she has been a tower of strength at the various events we attended this year - she is definitely not a self publicist and a very hard a loyal committee worker
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    I'm almost speechless - almost

    This Q&A has been full of What can you do for GAGB - what have you done for GAGB - what are you going to do for GAGB and how are you going to it and what haven't you done for GAGB and why?

    And the moment someone working on behalf of the GAGB opens their mouth to mention something they've done - they are in the wrong?

    And so I'm left asking myself - how is anyone going to motivate themselves to vote for this - given that I wouldn't vote for it myself! :

    And why shouldn't candidates promote themselves anyway? Isn't this a natural part of EVERY election campaign?





    Quote Originally Posted by mollyjak View Post
    Thank you for the vote of confidence although I have to be honest - my enthusiasm is rapidly waning.

    I posted on a new friend's wall last night and stated something I had been doing that evening ( phoning an irate farmer which has been satisfactorily sorted today and I have emails to prove should anyone want to see it). I was then asked by Tony Pinnington
    "I still cant see why this was posted in public" and "is it just self promotion?"
    I made a mistake and perhaps I should have sent it as a Private message and to Tony I apologise and also to the new Facebook friend ;-)
    I then deleted the full post after stating what I was going to do.

    If I want to self promote I could post in the 20ish Facebook groups I belong to asking for votes - but I won't.
    I could post on my own wall asking for votes - but I won't.

    This is the wrong place to post and sorry sandvika, but I am still so annoyed and upset by comments made by someone who knows me - I just wonder what is the point?????

    I am not after any sympathy comments and my enthusiam will be back tomorrow and I will continue to do what I can when I can for Geocaching whether as part of the GAGB Committee or as a GAGB member.

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    I don't really like to get involved with all the mud slinging. I've turned up and been reading discussions but not contributed. I've put my CV forward and said what I will do for the GAGB and it's my firm belief that a better website will help the GAGB develop. If I'm elected i'll follow through and deliver a new website. If I'm not then I won't.
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    This thread has been pointed out to me by another.
    I am someone who visits Forums irregularly. I have bookmarked the candidates questions and answers thread and cannot see any questions posted there, it is clear that I have done this incorrectly.
    Regarding interest/enthusiasm in the GAGB and this forum, I point you to the GAGB Facebook group where I am active and pro-active member. If my election statement was 'late' then it would not have been allowed. That is an incorrect statement and needs to be withdrawn. There is always someone who is the last to enter a race, this does not mean that they will not win.
    I would suggest that your (Sandvika) assertion that candidates who do not post on here show a lack of interest or involvement is incorrect and sadly shows a lack of team spirit and divisiveness.
    In answer to your 'off topic' comment about Munzee, yes of course I am one and the same, I do not have any need to change my persona. Yes, I have engaged with Munzee from the early beginnings and been in contact with the developers. I have brought the game forward in the UK until such a time that I saw the boundaries being merged, the game playing being abused and the response from the development team was dismissive. I am keeping a watching brief on Munzee, and although I do not usually post stats on forums believe that I am still in the top 100 players. Recently however, after my visit to Cartmel I decided that I would concentrate my efforts on Geocaching and in particular raising the profile of the GAGB.
    If you feel that I am an unworthy candidate then that is your choice, I believe that I have something positive to bring to this game and to this association or I would not have accepted the nomination. I do hope that you can rise above your ill-informed comments and negativity should we both be elected as the GAGB clearly needs a committee to drive forward and be there for the players, not to sit back and pick fault from within.

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    WOW!!!

    Now, for the record I've been working away for the last few days and despite the hotel supposing to have wifi, it didn't. I'm just back.

    Also, I thought I'd been away for a couple of days, not over a week as it looks like I've completely missed the elections.
    Well done Sandvika for being elected.

    So Sandvika, I thank you for my 'school report, but please tell me what level of enthusiam do you require of me?
    Oh, and what level of proof would satisfy you?
    Do I have to provide a minimum number of postings to the Q&A?
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    Roderick, I think our members are capable of deciding who they want to vote for.

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    The reason I started this thread was because these hustings had not really come to life, unlike the Chairman hustings, seemingly reflecting that some of the candidates are only luke warm and not passionate about the role.

    I thought it might shake it up and get it going. Maybe in future the hustings can be chaired, to ensure that everyone has their say. I don't think this is 'mud slinging'. I'm not going to apologise for summarising the way I saw things: to me it just seems appropriate that all candidates should answer the questions that have been posed, otherwise there's no point in having a week of hustings and we might as well go from nomination directly to the vote!

    George Bernard Shaw said "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

    I'm not going to apologise for being unreasonable. I've made no secret of the fact that I'm ambitious for GAGB. I hope my enthusiasm is viewed positively.

    @countrymatters Have a nice trip, I hope if you are re-elected that you can contribute in other ways between issues of Seeker.

    @Zomblou

    Quote Originally Posted by Zomblou View Post
    I really don't see what gives you the right to decide on my level of enthusiasm. I am as enthusiastic as ever...
    Quote Originally Posted by Zomblou View Post
    It feels like that to me too and the longer it goes on the less enthusiatic I feel about joining this 'team'.
    @Mollyjak I'm really sorry you've been getting grief and hope you will bounce back from it.

    @*geocass* Welcome. It would be nice to see what you've completed in the past year up on the web site.

    Quote Originally Posted by *geocass* View Post
    If I'm elected i'll follow through and deliver a new website. If I'm not then I won't.
    It would seem tantamount to blackmail if you won't deliver what you have already completed, unless you are re-elected. I assume this is not what you meant!

    @northking Welcome, I am pleased you are here and pleased to see you have jumped in. I think your Munzee experience could be valuable. Far from off-topic, it's relevant as at least one wood where there is a permissive caching agreement in place has been swamped by Munzees, potentially jeopardising our caching agreement as they don't comply with it.

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    Last edited by Maple Leaf; 16th November 2012 at 11:16 PM. Reason: Added CV/manifesto
    The hustings were underway as of 00:00 on 16th November. Your election statement appeared 23 hours later, though you'd had days to prepare it and submit it in advance, as everyone else did. That's what I meant by late. It was all I had to go on at the time. I don't feel the need to withdraw my reference to something that is a matter of record.

    I don't see how a lack of participation can be interpreted as anything other than lack of interest and involvement. These are hustings, contrasting candidates, not creating team spirit. Once our committee has been elected, is the time to build the team and collaborate effectively.

    However, as you've now made a significant contribution to the debate, obviously my comments no longer apply. Thank you.

    @JackieC Welcome back. Thanks for your copious sarcasm. I look forward to seeing your replies to the questions. I have been away too and have not had wifi either. GAGB forums use very little bandwidth so I have simply been accessing them via my phone.

    @The Wombles See intro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandvika View Post
    ...snip...

    The hustings were underway as of 00:00 on 16th November. Your election statement appeared 23 hours later.....
    You are correct quoting that I added northking's CV/Manifesto at 11.16pm but that was because I was unable to add it earlier (and I don't recall setting a deadline for receiving them).

    I had spent the day working and the evening squashed into a train on the way back from 3 days in London ... my reserved seat was double booked (we played snap with our tickets!). After nearly 2hrs standing in one position, I was able to get enough space to actually sit down on the floor in the corridor of the train ........ not the best place to start adding to the forums!

    I arrived back home about 10.45pm, had a cup of tea and spoke to my husband ... and then started on my GAGB work.
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