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    Quote Originally Posted by Mancunian View Post
    Oh by the way you have a email message
    All done. Hope you get success :socool:
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoisInTheForest View Post
    Good news - Ringwood Town Council have agreed to allow caching on their land along the lines of the Hampshire County Council agreement.
    ...As featured in this weeks New Milton Advertiser ,page 16 , under the heading of "Electronic treasure hunts at Poulner Lakes " .
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    Ooh! *runs over to Tesco Express to buy New Milton Advertiser*
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    Well, the report's almost accurate!
    It only takes one drink to get me drunk, but I can never remember if it was the thirteenth or fourteenth.

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    was most impressed reading it while waiting to get my hair cut!

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    Question Berkeley Estate

    I am currently in talks with the Berkeley Estate about placing Caches on their land. In the last meeting I had with the Land Manager, he himself suggested that if permission was granted by the head of the Berkeley Estate, that I would be the only person they will allow, so they know who they are dealing with and wanted someone local. I am now waiting on the meeting between the Land Manager and The Head of The Berkeley Estate.
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    Default Three rivers District council, and Chorleywood Parish Council

    Currently I am working on both of these so that I can place a trail around Chorleywood. There are a lot of caches on TRDC land already, but Chorleywood house estate (owned by Three rivers council) is a local nature reserve so I am taking care. Also Chorleywood common is a nature reserve as well - but the parish council sounded very interested, and are discussing it today at thier open spaces commitee. I think I may have to place caches with the warden so he is happy with location.
    Will let you know how I get on.
    Sarah

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    The hants wildlife trust is a good way forward for nature resevres, basically has the warden/ranger present when placing caches...

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    Default Chorleywood Parish Council

    Had a letter today from the council 'the Open Space Commitee considered your request and have granted permission in principle. The Parish council have adopted a simialr scheme to that of the woodland trust and I enclose the application form for you to use. Once written application is received we will advise you accordingly'
    The form looks just like the woodland trust form, but there are a few different bits, and they have reference GAGB and used cache guidelines lifted from this site as terms and conditions.
    When my caches are approved I'll talk to them about posting this as agreement in princle on the site - they don't own a lot of land, but Chorleywood common is a great place!

    Also have a similar agreement from Three rivers district council verbally- they want a tree officer to inspect any nearby trees first though (!) and are waiting on approval from conucillors (who have until 6th August to respond) They were very enthusiastic!
    All prgressing well!
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    Sarah, excellent news, well done and thanks. let us know when it's all in place and we'll add it/them to the agreements database.


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    I am currently in contact with Natural England who have put me in touch with United Utilities in regard to a cache placement on Unit 164 of the Dark Peak SSSI, Bleaklow Moor.

    I will try to remember to update this thread.

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    I've just contacted the Ranger, Trustees and Friends of.Catton Park in Norwich/Norfolk with a view to having some caches in there. They already have orienteering tracks, so here's hoping.

    Will update the thread when things start to move forward.

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    Permission has been granted for me to put geocaches in Catton Park by the Ranger, Matt. He has been very helpful in giving info on a suitable area which won't be having development work on in the future, and also which doesn't get used very much at the moment, which he's happy for us to make use of :cheers: Caches will be going online once hubby's done a test run for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by minxyy View Post
    Hi all just to let you know I am currntly in negotiations with the Borough of Poole to try to get them to agree to us placing geocaches on land under their durestriction!

    I had a positive reply today via e-mail saying that they'd have to have a meeting about it and would get back to me in approx two weeks!

    I have sent
    -printouts of very good local caches
    -copies of agreements rached with Hampshire
    -copies of agreements wioth New Forest
    -copy of CITO event in Oxford - also showing how well it was attended and the 'mess' they cleared out!
    - a covering letter with web addreses for Gagb, Geocaching.com and Hampshire Council
    - a list of possible locations for caches including a newly refurbished Poole Park!
    - pictures of the different cache containers we use from micro to ammo

    I have also offered to take them out Geocaching if they wish! Will have to pick some great urban ones!

    Does anyone know of any agreement with Bournemouth Council As I note there are a lot in that vicinity

    Any advice/support would be really appreciated

    Many thanks
    Manda
    Hi, I have just got permission to hide a geocache in a park in Poole from the leisure and parks office, with the proviso that I do not place it near park boundaries and that I place it without causing any damage to the surroundings.
    However when asking Bournemouth Council about placing one on kinson common, they stated that Bournemouth Council policy was that Geocaches were not allowed on any open areas or parks although there are already clearly hundreds already placed. The reason for this was that they found some caches dug in and that police could not distinguish between suspicious activity and that of geocachers?! I can sort of understand but it seems a bit unfair on all the impecable attitudes of cachers out there.

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    such is the problem when people don't bother to ask. turns councils against the hobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobbynobbs View Post
    such is the problem when people don't bother to ask. turns councils against the hobby.
    It looks more like the council was advised by the police on the basis that they can't be sure whether the people digging are geocachers or crooks.

    Perhaps it's time for geocachers in the area to be educated about the problems related to buried caches?

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    Wonder on definition of dug in.
    We,ve found nearly all the many caches ever hidden in Bournemouth(except the P.M. caches ) and never needed a spade or trowel .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Humphrey View Post
    It looks more like the council was advised by the police on the basis that they can't be sure whether the people digging are geocachers or crooks.

    Perhaps it's time for geocachers in the area to be educated about the problems related to buried caches?
    Wonder if it is the "dug in " issue that is the real problem ,or incidents like the below logged on one of the Bournemouth caches .

    "Had a go at this one with( name removed by us ) but our search was cut short by the Police turning up in a riot van to see what we were doing!
    One of them knew about geocaching and we explained it to the others. Hopefully we will have a few more muggle coppers converted to Geo-Coppers :-"
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    Quote Originally Posted by t.a.folk View Post
    Wonder if it is the "dug in " issue that is the real problem...
    Well, this seems to indicate that it is perceived to be the real problem...
    Quote Originally Posted by westdorsetgardners View Post
    ...Bournemouth Council policy was that Geocaches were not allowed on any open areas or parks although there are already clearly hundreds already placed. The reason for this was that they found some caches dug in and that police could not distinguish between suspicious activity and that of geocachers?! ...
    As to whether these were actually geocaches, I can't say. I think that the phrase "dug in" can only mean that they had to be dug up, which to me would indicate that they are not geocaches at all.

    There does seem to be a general problem with landowners not understanding (and often not really caring) what geocaching actually is, so it could be yet another misunderstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westdorsetgardners View Post
    However when asking Bournemouth Council about placing one on kinson common, they stated that Bournemouth Council policy was that Geocaches were not allowed on any open areas or parks although there are already clearly hundreds already placed. The reason for this was that they found some caches dug in and that police could not distinguish between suspicious activity and that of geocachers?!
    Nobbynobbs often advises going to the Rangers in the first instance.

    GC1A2AA , a physical cache on open area at Hengistbury Head, in Bournemouth has permission from the following

    "Thanks to everyone at the Ranger's Office, Hengistbury Head, Bournemouth, for their co-operation in allowing this cache to be placed."
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    Default Cuerden Valley Park, Lancashire

    For some time, the placement of caches in Cuerden Valley Park in Lancashire, near Chorley, was not permitted. Since I became a trustee of the Charitable Trust that owns and manages the park, I have explained to the Park Manager about geocaching, and the ban has been lifted. There remains a need to consult with the manager because there are a few sensitive sites. But the reality is that I've placed a good series of caches around the park, which appear to have been enjoyed by everyone who visits. The Park website may still say that geocaching is not permitted, but that needs changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countrymatters View Post
    For some time, the placement of caches in Cuerden Valley Park in Lancashire, near Chorley, was not permitted. Since I became a trustee of the Charitable Trust that owns and manages the park, I have explained to the Park Manager about geocaching, and the ban has been lifted.
    That's really good work.
    If it's not too indiscreet, it would be most interesting to hear what was behind the original ban and how the manager was persuaded to change his mind?

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    Default Clifton Downs - Bristol

    I am just opening negotiations with Bristol Council regarding permission for Clifton Downs and hopefully other Bristol parks will follow.
    If anyone has made contact previously or currently negotiating with Bristol Council could they please let me know.

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    I got a generic permission from the Bristol Council's Blaise Castle and Kingsweston Estate in the early days of planning last year's Mega (we did consider a location nearby for the Mega).

    The contact details are in GLAD, you could see how the Ranger feels about caching now and he may be a useful reference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wombles View Post
    I got a generic permission from the Bristol Council's Blaise Castle and Kingsweston Estate in the early days of planning last year's Mega (we did consider a location nearby for the Mega).

    The contact details are in GLAD, you could see how the Ranger feels about caching now and he may be a useful reference.
    I've quoted/linked that agreement in my email to the ranger for Clifton Downs, so hopefully that should smooth the way a bit. I'm hoping that we will be able to extend the agreement to cover a number of Bristol council managed properties.

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    I should also mention that I've just started communications with Bath council, although I suspect that this might be slightly harder with Baths heritage status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad H@ter View Post
    I should also mention that I've just started communications with Bath council, although I suspect that this might be slightly harder with Baths heritage status.
    I have had amazingly quick success with Bath as they have already given written approval for Carrs Wood a local nature reserve and seem like they are very likely to accept some sort of overarching agreement for the parks and leisure spaces .

    Will keep you posted.

    Interestingly they commented that the only reason that the area is designated a local nature reserve is to 1) protect it from development & 2) to encorage visitors. They don't want it wrapped in cotton wool and preserved, they want it used and enjoyed. A very positve attitude IMHO, and likely to be good for geocaching.

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    I'm now requesting permission from Norwich Historic Churches Trust to gain permission to place/base caches and multys in the churches they own and let out in Norwich. Fingers crossed.

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    Hello all,

    I'm going to contact Rushmoor Borough Council, in north-east Hampshire, to seek permission to place caches on their land... I haven't seen any other posts here by folks who have already contacted them. A number of caches already exist in the Borough, but I'm uncertain of whether a more formal type of permission has ever been sought. Specifically, we'd like to place caches along the Cove Brook Greenway - it's a great little greenspace in the the middle of a very built-up area. A volunteer organisation called the Cove Brook Greenway Group regularly looks after this stretch of greenspace, and I plan to involve them in the discussion/negotiation, since it could very well be one of their volunteers who might stumble upon a cache.

    Thanks to Dave of the Wombles for the sample letter! I will be using that or a permutation of it on my first approach! Hopefully the fact that an agreement already exists with Hampshire County Council will help!

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    Question Rushmoor Borough Council - Initial Contact & Question

    Hi Again!

    Well, I have managed to track down the Council reps who seem to be the best initial contacts, and have corresponded with a couple different people so far... so things are already moving along quite well. I'm now awaiting word from a Contracts Manager and another employee in that same department.

    My question: As for the existing major landowner agreements posted here on GAGB - Are any of these agreements some form of signed contract document? Or have the landowners just given their permission and published guidelines on their websites for Geocachers? Do the landowners keep documents in their offices to refer to if other Cachers ask for permission (ignorant of what's listed on GAGB)?

    I guess I just want to know as much about this process as possible, and what other Cachers have gone through, since I'm now in the thick of it myself!

    Thanks!
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    Yes I have signed contracts for some agreements and others may have done likewise. As you can imagine I have been very careful around these particularly in respect of public liability (which is a complete non starter for our agreements). Others include website content - eg Hampshire CC.

    Different organisations have different ways of publicising or controlling this; they often have a central point of contact, sometimes distribute information and sometimes rely on the cachers to inform their people. For example the National Trust produced an internal guide (with our help) which could be referenced or distributed as required.

    If you want any help or advice then feel free to let me know.


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    Thanks for all your help, Dave! Would it be possible to send me a sample signed contract or direct me to where one is published on the web?
    k

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    No problem but they vary and are usually specific to the landowner and circumstances. I suggest dealing with this after establishing the principe with the landowner ie under what conditions would caching be allowed, any excluded areas, what is the approval process can they provide electronic mapping to enable GC.com reviewers to apply the agreement to the right areas etc.


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    Smile John Muir Trust

    Just for the record, I have obtained consent from the John Muir Trust, who own the entire Strathaird peninsula on the Isle of Skye, to place caches. I already have caches on Skye, to which I am compelled to resort on frequent occasions during the year, and intend to place more early in December, while maintaining existing caches. Here's what the Trust have to say:
    Thanks for your enquiry with reference to geocaching. We the John Muir Trust do not have a policy on it, but having read up on it, it appears a worthwhile activity and done by sensible people, with regard to the environment. You have our permission to carry out the activity on our estate at Strathaird. If there are any problems this will be reviewed at a later date.
    The likelihood is that if anyone else finds the Trust as landowners, then here is a nice precedent to use - we are, after all, sensible people, like the man says.

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    I've been called a few things in my time, but sensible??? :

    Good work!
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    Work gets in the way!

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    Default Landowner permission: The island of ULVA

    The island of Ulva is adjacent to the Isle of Mull. I've been up there quite a lot recently in connection with work, and established a good relationship with the Laird of Ulva, who has encouraged me/given me permission to place caches on the island. So, I set ten caches to celebrate 10 years, and they seem to have been well received.

    So, the island of Ulva landowner was an easy conquest...but then he's a skier and mountaineer, too, so maybe it wasn't that difficult.

    PS If you're thinking of doing all ten caches on the island, you'll need a full day and the legs for a very long walk...but it's do-able.

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    Talking Rushmoor Borough Council (in Hampshire) Permission

    Hello again,

    I have received a one line email from Rushmoor's Parks Development Manager, via his secretary, after sending him an email very much like The Wombles permissions letter:
    I am content, there appears no detriment to the landowner.

    He appears to be a man of few words. But I am content as well, for it looks like we can now place caches with Rushmoor borough's approval!

    :socool:
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    I applied for permission from Mansfield District Council (back in April) and have received a standard e-mail response saying that the matter is closed (but no indication whether that means permission was granted or not). I'll try and re-open it, as my queries were met with similar meaningless replies.

    More recently, I applied to Natural England about a cache in an SSSI. After a month, I've received an acknowledgement of receipt and an assurance that it's been passed to the relevant local office.

    I'm regarding both as "on-going"; even though I've now given up with these caches, I hope to get permission and then either make another placement or pass the permission on to another cacher to use.

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    Latest news on the Natural England permission is that they have no objection to the cache. However, as the land belongs to Thoresby Estates, further permission has to come from them and this has been denied for the site in question. Negotiations for an alternative are under way.

    Nothing new from Mansfield District Council.

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    Well; I discovered another site nearby, which the Thoresby Estates rep was happy with. Unfortunately, now it has to go back to Natural England as it's still in an SSSI (and nature reserve). But given their positive feedback on the original I'm fairly hopeful that the go-ahead is finally in sight!

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    Just received formal permission from NE, so it looks good to go.

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    Just to finish off the story; the cache has been placed and approved. It's in an area called Budby Heath, Sherwood Forest (http://coord.info/GC2NZ34). Hopefully, someone will visit it eventually!

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    Hi,

    I am going to try & contact Surrey Wildlife Trust for permission to place a cache on their land, using the standard letter... I note that someone was in contact with them previously, but there is nothing recent.

    I'll let you know what happens

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    I have had the following email response from Surrey WT...
    Thank you for your email enquiring about geocaching on Broadstreet/Backside Common. I would be grateful if, in the first instance, you would you be kind enough to complete and return the attached Permission Application Form in this respect.
    Many thanks.
    Regards
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    This is the form that I have from Anne:

    Surrey Wildlife Trust


    Events Permission Application Form

    ORGANISATION: .……………

    CONTACT NAME: ……………………

    ADDRESS: ……………………………………..

    TELEPHONE: ……………………… EMAIL: …………………

    VENUE: ……………………….
    (Reserve)

    DATE/S OF EVENT: …………..…………

    TIME OF EVENT: ……………………

    DETAILS OF EVENT:
    …………………………………………………………………………………………..
    …………………………………………………………………………………………..
    …………………………………………………………………………………………..
    …………………………………………………………………………………………..
    …………………………………………………………………………………………..

    NO. OF PARTICIPANTS: - Adults ….….…. Children ………. Total …….

    NO. OF VEHICLES: …………………..

    DATE OF REQUEST: ……………………….….



    (For office use)

    Agreed by Site Ranger: ……………………………………….. Date ……………..

    Permission Sent: ………………….. Signed Copy Received: ……………….…..

    Insurance (Copy Certificate Received): …………………….

    Fee (if applicable): ………………

    Event Complete: ………………...


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    I don't know if you've discussed this with them already, but we have two golden rules:

    1. We don't pay for cache placement permissions: this could establish a principle and
    2. We don't make generic permisisons which require insurance: caching has almost identical risks to rambling and should be treated in the same way.

    Please contact me through my profile if you'd like futher information or to discuss these in more detail. Thanks.


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    Default Rushmoor Borough Council Permissions

    Since the time of this first Rushmoor Borough Council (RBC) tentative permission, the RBC Legal Team has become involved in my geocaching permissions queries. It slowed down the placement of our caches considerably, but we finally got an answer.

    The RBC Legal Team has also given permission to place and hunt caches on RBC land, but NO formal agreement exists with them and is unlikely to exist in the near future.

    PLEASE do not bring geocaching into disrepute by doing anything untoward while geocaching on RBC land. PLEASE follow the well-known geocaching guidelines and PLEASE do not cache on conservation areas or cause undue stress around park areas in RBC.

    So sorry to be preachy, but RBC has made it clear to me that they will not hesitate to rescind caching permissions if they find there are any complaints about our activities or if cachers cause any perceived problems on RBC land.

    If anyone has any further questions about caching on RBC land, please send me a message, I'm happy to help out!

    Thanks and Happy Caching!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna's Team View Post
    Hello again,

    I have received a one line email from Rushmoor's Parks Development Manager, via his secretary, after sending him an email very much like The Wombles permissions letter:
    I am content, there appears no detriment to the landowner.

    He appears to be a man of few words. But I am content as well, for it looks like we can now place caches with Rushmoor borough's approval!

    :socool:
    Best to you all!

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    Talking Negotiations with Barnsley Council

    I am currently awaiting permission from Barnsley Council to place caches on various sites of redundant colliery sites in the Barnsley area. I will keep you updated of my progress.

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    I havn't heard any more from the Surrey Wildlife Trust, but I have now written to Surrey County Council for permission from them for another location i have in mind. Fingers crossed!

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    Hi,
    I've made an initial contact with people about placing caches in parks which come under control of "Greening the Gateway Kent and Medway". I'm not sure these are the people who can say yes or no, but hopefully they will point me in the right direction. My specific query is Milton Creek Country Park, but hopefully a broader agreement can be reached.

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    Default Swale Borough Council

    Swale Borough Council were extremely keen for me to place a cache in Milton Creek Country Park, and are already suggesting locations for susequent caches in the park! They think it's a great way to get people coming to use the park.

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